Test E only cycle

[DonaldDuck]

stats: 21
weight: 204
height: 6'1
BF%: 12-13

Test E: weeks 1-12 (250 mg/2x week)
Arimidex: .5 E3d/EOD (as needed)
PCT: Nolva 40/20/20/20 Clomid 100/50/50/50

Simple for someone my age. Not having two straight weeks of 40/40 and 100/100 in PCT because I will be watching estrogen and from my research for the past 8 months I can determine that the estrogen maybe too much for such a simple cycle. I would definitely be willing to take advice on anything I post! I know I maybe only 21 but I have trained, ate properly and put in the time since I was 17 plus when I was 18 I ran a test e/dbol cycle. I know stupid. friends. peer pressure. anyways I allowed my body sufficient time to recover from it over the past 3 years. I will be keeping an eye on bloat/gyno and will be getting blood work done week 6. Now I have done my research and want to continue with this cycle. any feedback would be great!

 

[Dr JIM]

Why do you believe running a cycle at age 21 (when your TT is at its HIGHEST) is any less "stupid" than at age 18???!

EXAMPLES of why I've not found the above to be the case;

- can you post baseline pre-cycle labs?

- how will you be "watching estrogen" ?

- briefly what did your "research" reveal?

- why are you running a PCT SERM dosage at a quantity sufficient for a THREE drug AAS stack?

- why did you select "week 6" to conduct blood work?

- what changes in lab values are you expecting and how will they effect management?

If you can provide legitimate evidence based answers to these questions, I'll be the first to admit, I'm wrong, bc you would be the exception to the (my) rule; the risks of using AAS prior to age 25 exceed the benefits.

Jim

 

[DonaldDuck]

- can you post baseline pre-cycle labs? Yeah, I plan on doing bloodwork before my cycle. then doing bloodwork halfway in around week 6.

- how will you be "watching estrogen" ? week 6 going to see how the AI is affecting my estrogen levels

- briefly what did your "research" reveal? Some say 21, some say 23, some say 25. So who to believe? I feel that if you have done research and worked hard and go into the cycle with the right attitude a cycle of 12 weeks of test e can only help muscular gains not only in the short term but long term.

- why are you running a pct SERM dosage at a quantity sufficient for a THREE drug AAS stack? Thats it. I do not know what my pct should look like with such a simple test e cycle. if i should use HCG but I have read that it greatly effects estrogen levels. A simple cycle I do not know if I need HCG and proper dosage advice of the PCT would be greatly appreciated!

- why did you select "week 6" to conduct blood work? Halfway of the test e cycle but I know it will not kick in till week 3 so should I wait till week 9 for bloodwork? Also, is keeping it a test e cycle beneficial over a dbol kickstart or even deca. I felt keeping it as simplistic as possible to ease into the usage.
- what changes in lab values are you expecting and how will they effect management?
This question you got me.


Thank you for posting so quickly! I respect your comment. I want to know why 25 is your age when many steroid users start much younger than 25? Thank You!

 

[jaymaximus]

Some say 21, some say 23, some say 25. So who to believe? I feel that if you have done research and worked hard and go into the cycle with the right attitude a cycle of 12 weeks of test e can only help muscular gains not only in the short term but long term.

Yea! It doesnt matter when you start as long as you have the right attitude and you work hard!

 

[Dr JIM]

- can you post baseline pre-cycle labs? Yeah, I plan on doing bloodwork before my cycle. then doing bloodwork halfway in around week 6.

- how will you be "watching estrogen" ? week 6 going to see how the AI is affecting my estrogen levels

- briefly what did your "research" reveal? Some say 21, some say 23, some say 25. So who to believe? I feel that if you have done research and worked hard and go into the cycle with the right attitude a cycle of 12 weeks of test e can only help muscular gains not only in the short term but long term.

- why are you running a pct SERM dosage at a quantity sufficient for a THREE drug AAS stack? Thats it. I do not know what my pct should look like with such a simple test e cycle. if i should use HCG but I have read that it greatly effects estrogen levels. A simple cycle I do not know if I need HCG and proper dosage advice of the PCT would be greatly appreciated!

- why did you select "week 6" to conduct blood work? Halfway of the test e cycle but I know it will not kick in till week 3 so should I wait till week 9 for bloodwork? Also, is keeping it a test e cycle beneficial over a dbol kickstart or even deca. I felt keeping it as simplistic as possible to ease into the usage.
- what changes in lab values are you expecting and how will they effect management?
This question you got me.


Thank you for posting so quickly! I respect your comment. I want to know why 25 is your age when many steroid users start much younger than 25? Thank You!

Although I'll admit the age of 25 is arbitrary as I would prefer age THIRTY and here's a few reasons why;
- the TT decline begins in many at age 30
- higher level of education
- professional stability
- occupational stability
- complete endocrine maturation
- financial security
- emotionally stable relationships
- physically mature
- greater possibility of being a truly experienced lifter/BB

- generally sound fund of knowledge

- ABSOLUTELY understands how much more important diet and lifting technique are

- uses AAS as an AID to BB rather than a crutch or an excuse taking the easy way out

- much less influenced by the whims of the day or nearby "friends" wanting to make a buck

Oh sure there are some 30 year olds that behave as 17 year old fools BUT
physical and emotional maturation usually coincides with advancing age!

 

[Dr JIM]

Although many if not most Meso members have exceeded my gym exposure I've certainly assisted more than my fair share of the younger crowd and NOT once was I even remotely convinced someone less than the age 23 had reached their natural potential bc of their strident adherence to a specific diet and exercise routine. (I knew of TWO, around age 25, that were quite close but even they realized ASS could wait)

The problem, as I see it anyway, is most younger exercise enthusiasts are only interested in TRYING AAS, and much like some experiment, "want to see what happens", absent the appropriate exercise, dietary modifications or fund of knowledge required to use AAS in an optimal and risk adverse manner.

Fact is very few have even considered, let alone adhere to, a goal oriented approach to BB.

I mean WTF is the rationale for such a shallow mindset, and worse yet many somehow believe or choose to ignore the FACT, AAS are not innocuous supplements without adverse effects, as the latter often end up sending myself or Dr Scally PMs or visit our offices with AAS related endocrine dysfunction.

And rest assured MOST of these PATIENTS are never heard from on PED forums!

In fact I've been shocked over the past few years the number of people who seem to flock to AAS forums, often claiming hormonal dysfunction is the basis for their nonspecific and vague complaints, when it's clear the genesis is an underlying mental/emotional disorder.

Of course such bogus claims further reinforce media propaganda the use of AAS can cause or are associated with ailments from depression, BPD, anxiety and why not schizophrenia!

 

[viking23]

Well said Dr. Jim. Honestly op if you were looking for the right answer to your question, you just got it. I know it sucks to hear because you obviously want to just cycle, but I assure you the next 2-4 years will fly by. While waiting hang around hear and ask questions, read up on what doses your pct should be for such a laid back cycle, at such a young age.

Then when you're ready you can take the plunge and at least you will have knowledge on many of the possibilities and how to counter act if they arise. Plus you don't want to have to blindly trust someone on the internet when you're in a shitty situation.

Speaking from someone who was your age not too too long ago, you're better off waiting man! Your best gains are about to start now and your body is going to change on its own. And personally, I think when kids skip out on working out for few years naturally and making solid gains, they become psychologically dependent on gear for gains. If they aren't on then neither is their dedication. Just in my experience with some friends anyway.

Vike

 

[Galileo]

Although I'll admit the age of 25 is arbitrary as I would prefer age THIRTY and here's a few reasons why;
- the TT decline begins in many at age 30
- higher level of education
- professional stability
- occupational stability
- complete endocrine maturation
- financial security
- emotionally stable relationships
- physically mature
- greater possibility of being a truly experienced lifter/BB

- generally sound fund of knowledge

- ABSOLUTELY understands how much more important diet and lifting technique are

- uses AAS as an AID to BB rather than a crutch or an excuse taking the easy way out

- much less influenced by the whims of the day or nearby "friends" wanting to make a buck

Oh sure there are some 30 year olds that behave as 17 year old fools BUT
physical and emotional maturation usually coincides with advancing age!

But OTOH you've said guys younger than 30 tend to recuperate much better from AAS induced HPTA disruption.... so at 30 years+, will significant AAS use usually mean eventual need for HRT?

 

[Getbignotdietrying]

stats: 21
weight: 204
height: 6'1
BF%: 12-13

Test E: weeks 1-12 (250 mg/2x week)
Arimidex: .5 E3d/EOD (as needed)
PCT: Nolva 40/20/20/20 Clomid 100/50/50/50

Simple for someone my age. Not having two straight weeks of 40/40 and 100/100 in PCT because I will be watching estrogen and from my research for the past 8 months I can determine that the estrogen maybe too much for such a simple cycle. I would definitely be willing to take advice on anything I post! I know I maybe only 21 but I have trained, ate properly and put in the time since I was 17 plus when I was 18 I ran a test e/dbol cycle. I know stupid. friends. peer pressure. anyways I allowed my body sufficient time to recover from it over the past 3 years. I will be keeping an eye on bloat/gyno and will be getting blood work done week 6. Now I have done my research and want to continue with this cycle. any feedback would be great!

that's a LOT of pct. listen to dr.jim in my little time here hes pointed me the right way quite a few times already. I'm also running a simple test e cycle.

 

[Dr JIM]

And their age, physiologic/emotional immaturity makes them so much more prone to become "psychologically dependent on gear for gains".
Vike

Absolutely on spot Vike

 

[Dr JIM]

But OTOH you've said guys younger than 30 tend to recuperate much better from AAS induced HPTA disruption.... so at 30 years+, will significant AAS use usually mean eventual need for HRT?

Ah indeed but the devil is in the details bc most "older" BB have acquired considerable experience absent the use of AAS. The net effect being they usually get much more bang for their buck, should they elect to use AAS

Having a broad fund of knowledge is MUCH more important than age as a solitary factor with respect to HTPA recovery. Bc with that knowledge "mistakes" in cycling, PCT, supplement use are much less likely to occur, and when they do, the treatment rendered is not only timely but appropriate, IME.

(Check out the age of those posting recovery issues on Meso. What about those who chose not to post their age, well now why would that be ……. most of us know the MOST LIKELY REASON ……… they "are to young to be cycling" and have likely been told that on more than one occasion).

Good God one can only wonder, if these younger aged cyclist endocrine system was not so forgiving, how many more eunuchs there would be in todays society! (Imagine how much more such a "complication" would exacerbate the existing AAS stigma!)