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I'll preface this by saying I've run test only cycles in the past with the only oral being cardarine (for an athletic meet). But I've been studying compounds a lot and collecting resource on them. I primarily run only test as the addition of a secondary compound necessitates prolonged clearance time and other issues. So until I get out of uni, I'll stick to test.


About Test/EQ/Dbol- Test acts as base while I push the anabolic load with EQ. Now, since EQ acts as an AI for most people which is notoriously known for its EQ anxiety, wouldn't Dbol's heavy aromatization be able to counter that?

I'm aware that dbol can't be run throughout the blast but I'm curious to know if it would amount to measurable progress.

Also, if anyone has run this cycle in the past, I'd love to hear your experience.

Stay strong, brothers in iron
 
Dbol can counter that. But it can also take you very quickly into high E2 range. EQ nor Primo will keep your E2 within limits if Dbol is used very often. Especially if you are a high aromatizer. I was on 600mg Primo and only taking Dbol PWO and my E2 got too high. Without the Dbol Primo easily crashes my E2.

Something to think about.
 
BamaCrazy said:
Dbol can counter that. But it can also take you very quickly into high E2 range. EQ nor Primo will keep your E2 within limits if Dbol is used very often. Especially if you are a high aromatizer. I was on 600mg Primo and only taking Dbol PWO and my E2 got too high. Without the Dbol Primo easily crashes my E2.

Something to think about.
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Found my sweet spot with the test and Primo. A 1:1 ratio of 500:500 puts my E2 at 34 and 500:600 keeps it in the mid 20s.

If you need to add E2 use dbol. If you want to look jacked and get the fast acting benefits from an oral run 50-100 mg Anavar a day. This has been my experience, and as we know with gear, everyone's experience will vary.
 
I’m not recommending that you do or don’t this. But i’ve become known as the guy using injectable e2 as my base in place of test and using other non aromatizing anabolics on top. Estradiol Cypionate, valerate, or enanthate is how I would personally deal with this scenario of eq lowering my estradiol too much.

In fact I started this year off with Boldenone +ECyp as my stack. I haven’t used test in maybe 7-8 months now.

For myself 1mg Estradiol per week = 18-20.5pg/ml additional e2 on my blood work( when done is split eod, and blood is taken the day of my next shot before injecting. )

I like doing this this way, because no matter how much EQ, Primo, mast, dhb, deca, tren, anavar, whatever.. nothing effects or changes my e2 level because my e2 on my blood work is determined by the dose of e2 I inject and nothing else. Even if I were to megadose letrozole, nothing would happen to my e2 and I have in fact tried this to test it and see what happens.
 
OP has a couple problems here. He hasn't run EQ before so he has no idea if it will act like an AI in him. In some people it's neutral, in some it raises e2. Using EQ to push your anabolic load is like using masteron to do the same. You'll use a crap load to get little growth. I'd rather see you push the anabolic load with test and use EQ as a secondary anabolic and cosmetic enhancement (AI too if it does that for you.) Dbol can be there if you crash e2. Or just run dbol as part of the cycle and have aromasin on hand if eq doesn't work as an AI for you.
 
xrayphoton13 said:
OP has a couple problems here. He hasn't run EQ before so he has no idea if it will act like an AI in him. In some people it's neutral, in some it raises e2. Using EQ to push your anabolic load is like using masteron to do the same. You'll use a crap load to get little growth. I'd rather see you push the anabolic load with test and use EQ as a secondary anabolic and cosmetic enhancement (AI too if it does that for you.) Dbol can be there if you crash e2. Or just run dbol as part of the cycle and have aromasin on hand if eq doesn't work as an AI for you.
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But EQ it's super easy to be run at high dosage that's a plus..no pip, super mild, it's just great all around.
 
xrayphoton13 said:
OP has a couple problems here. He hasn't run EQ before so he has no idea if it will act like an AI in him. In some people it's neutral, in some it raises e2. Using EQ to push your anabolic load is like using masteron to do the same. You'll use a crap load to get little growth. I'd rather see you push the anabolic load with test and use EQ as a secondary anabolic and cosmetic enhancement (AI too if it does that for you.) Dbol can be there if you crash e2. Or just run dbol as part of the cycle and have aromasin on hand if eq doesn't work as an AI for you.
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I’m jw, since you mention masteron and eq as both requiring a lot to get only a little growth. Have you personally run mast and or or eq in a mass phase where you’ve experienced this ?

I believe you, it’s just that I’m curious because I’ve also heard this about mast, but not eq though, and I’ve run EQ solo( without test) multiple times with a “base” of Estradiol injectable like Valerate or Cypionate. Kept my e2 in my personal sweet spot and I actually got what I felt were equally on par size progression compared to even when I’ve use test only , test+ deca , test+ment, test +tren, etc.

For me mg per mg I felt like i got as much or more gains than I expected to from a bulk in general, with eq, than I even expected to get for that particular mass phase in general. It was a very successful bulk. Rebounded from a hard diet like usual and massed, gained 32lb of new added offseason weight compared to my previous all time heaviest which the bulk immediately prior to this one I’m referring to.


Now.. I haven’t run masteron ever while in a mass phase, and I’ve only used it 2 honest attempt times while cutting. So I’m curious if both eq and mast were weak for you, and if maybe this has something to do with being estrogen deficient potentially.
 
Para_33 said:
I’m jw, since you mention masteron and eq as both requiring a lot to get only a little growth. Have you personally run mast and or or eq in a mass phase where you’ve experienced this ?

I believe you, it’s just that I’m curious because I’ve also heard this about mast, but not eq though, and I’ve run EQ solo( without test) multiple times with a “base” of Estradiol injectable like Valerate or Cypionate. Kept my e2 in my personal sweet spot and I actually got what I felt were equally on par size progression compared to even when I’ve use test only , test+ deca , test+ment, test +tren, etc.

For me mg per mg I felt like i got as much or more gains than I expected to from a bulk in general, with eq, than I even expected to get for that particular mass phase in general. It was a very successful bulk. Rebounded from a hard diet like usual and massed, gained 32lb of new added offseason weight compared to my previous all time heaviest which the bulk immediately prior to this one I’m referring to.


Now.. I haven’t run masteron ever while in a mass phase, and I’ve only used it 2 honest attempt times while cutting. So I’m curious if both eq and mast were weak for you, and if maybe this has something to do with being estrogen deficient potentially.
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Hey man looking forward to the YouTube dht q&a today!

No never run in a mass phase, only recomp/fatloss. E2 was 29pg/ml. I definitely feel like Ive seen more out of eq than masteron though. So I'm mostly just going off what I've seen and read on here and YouTube. Bill Roberts says you have to run a gram+ to see EQ shine. But the majority of users seem to run it 200-600mg so they probably aren't using enough of it to see real growth. Masteron I'm just not even sure it's anabolic. I "feel" like I get the better gym performance from the EC stack. I've only run masteron to 600mg though
 
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xrayphoton13 said:
Hey man looking forward to the YouTube dht q&a today!

No never run in a mass phase, only recomp/fatloss. E2 was 29pg/ml. I definitely feel like Ive seen more out of eq than masteron though. So I'm mostly just going off what I've seen and read on here and YouTube. Bill Roberts says you have to run a gram+ to see EQ shine. But the majority of users seem to run it 200-600mg so they probably aren't using enough of it to see real growth. Masteron I'm just not even sure it's anabolic. I "feel" like I get the better gym performance from the EC stack. I've only run masteron to 600mg though
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Mastering is a feel good substance in my opinion, but you ain't building muscle on it imho
 
Para_33 said:
I’m not recommending that you do or don’t this. But i’ve become known as the guy using injectable e2 as my base in place of test and using other non aromatizing anabolics on top. Estradiol Cypionate, valerate, or enanthate is how I would personally deal with this scenario of eq lowering my estradiol too much.

In fact I started this year off with Boldenone +ECyp as my stack. I haven’t used test in maybe 7-8 months now.

For myself 1mg Estradiol per week = 18-20.5pg/ml additional e2 on my blood work( when done is split eod, and blood is taken the day of my next shot before injecting. )

I like doing this this way, because no matter how much EQ, Primo, mast, dhb, deca, tren, anavar, whatever.. nothing effects or changes my e2 level because my e2 on my blood work is determined by the dose of e2 I inject and nothing else. Even if I were to megadose letrozole, nothing would happen to my e2 and I have in fact tried this to test it and see what happens.
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I think your a lunatic but I love your style brother.

How are your gains say compared to 600 Test 400 Deca?
 
FrenchToastKing said:
I'll preface this by saying I've run test only cycles in the past with the only oral being cardarine (for an athletic meet). But I've been studying compounds a lot and collecting resource on them. I primarily run only test as the addition of a secondary compound necessitates prolonged clearance time and other issues. So until I get out of uni, I'll stick to test.


About Test/EQ/Dbol- Test acts as base while I push the anabolic load with EQ. Now, since EQ acts as an AI for most people which is notoriously known for its EQ anxiety, wouldn't Dbol's heavy aromatization be able to counter that?

I'm aware that dbol can't be run throughout the blast but I'm curious to know if it would amount to measurable progress.

Also, if anyone has run this cycle in the past, I'd love to hear your experience.

Stay strong, brothers in iron
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Individual response to drugs varies from person to person despite their being a standard range

You won’t know until you experiment and try for yourself

Some guys love EQ

Other guys get nothing out of it

But typically most guys get more out of Test than out of EQ, and it’s healthier too

Personally id just run the full amount with Test only

As for Dbol, you can run it as long as you aren’t getting negative side effects. That could be a few days and you’ll be getting GERD, gyno, and crushed appetite on 5mgs, or six months at 50mgs with no issues, depends on your individual response. But for me personally, I avoid orals unless I’m trying to lose weight and then I’m using them to help crush my appetite. Otherwise just find an anabolic, primarily test, that you respond well to, and stick with it.
 
Grey Spartan said:
I think your a lunatic but I love your style brother.

How are your gains say compared to 600 Test 400 Deca?
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thanks brother. No different in gains, to possibly being measurably superior depending on the compound used.

I’ve talked about this as a guest on some podcasts etc, but I’ve been documenting my own experiments as well as I possibly can control for everything. And when I select some combinations which allow me to maintain a higher shbg level than I otherwise could with a test base, I actually get measurably fast progress through body part measurements(arms, quads, neck, forarms, calves )body weight etc. I’ll dedicate 1/3 of a mass phase to high shbg, low shbg, then back to high. Or vice versa over the last 2.5 years now.

The theory is based on the science discovered about the SHBG receptor complex, but I’ve found a way to achieve this in the real world.

SHBG Receptor acts like an amplifier for the regular AR. So when a free steroid activates the AR, shbg has its own receptor that acts like an amplifier to increase gene transcription. People have said the opposite though and that high shbg is bad.. yes that’s true because if you only have amplifiers and no guitar, than you have no signal to amplify. So it seems that it’s only when shbg gets critically low, that you start losing this amplification the longer you’ve been on cycle as shbg gets lower and lower.

Yes every mass monster has single digit shbg,
So I don’t believe this is require to be huge, but it seemed to help. .. and i don’t believe it’s hurt me considering I’ve gained a 124lb of pretty clean weight with abs in 3 years + a few months.
 
xrayphoton13 said:
Hey man looking forward to the YouTube dht q&a today!

No never run in a mass phase, only recomp/fatloss. E2 was 29pg/ml. I definitely feel like Ive seen more out of eq than masteron though. So I'm mostly just going off what I've seen and read on here and YouTube. Bill Roberts says you have to run a gram+ to see EQ shine. But the majority of users seem to run it 200-600mg so they probably aren't using enough of it to see real growth. Masteron I'm just not even sure it's anabolic. I "feel" like I get the better gym performance from the EC stack. I've only run masteron to 600mg though
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Thank you man!

And Right. I don’t disagree with you. I’m curious to try a masteron based mass phase now to see how that goes. For science.
 
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