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Some time ago, I had a conversation with an amateur bodybuilder from my country—who has since gone on to compete as a professional in the Open category. At the time, he shared his off-season stack with me: 1500 mg of Sustanon, 1500 mg of Equipoise, a moderate dose of Dianabol (if I recall correctly, around 20 mg), along with HGH and post-workout Humalog.I'll preface this by saying I've run test only cycles in the past with the only oral being cardarine (for an athletic meet). But I've been studying compounds a lot and collecting resource on them. I primarily run only test as the addition of a secondary compound necessitates prolonged clearance time and other issues. So until I get out of uni, I'll stick to test.
About Test/EQ/Dbol- Test acts as base while I push the anabolic load with EQ. Now, since EQ acts as an AI for most people which is notoriously known for its EQ anxiety, wouldn't Dbol's heavy aromatization be able to counter that?
I'm aware that dbol can't be run throughout the blast but I'm curious to know if it would amount to measurable progress.
Also, if anyone has run this cycle in the past, I'd love to hear your experience.
Stay strong, brothers in iron
Yup. Smart way to build a cycle.Some time ago, I had a conversation with an amateur bodybuilder from my country—who has since gone on to compete as a professional in the Open category. At the time, he shared his off-season stack with me: 1500 mg of Sustanon, 1500 mg of Equipoise, a moderate dose of Dianabol (if I recall correctly, around 20 mg), along with HGH and post-workout Humalog.
In hindsight, I suspect the Dianabol was included primarily to elevate estrogen levels slightly, as the 1:1 ratio of Testosterone to EQ can often leave individuals feeling flat or unwell due to insufficient estrogenic activity.
thisJust run test and eq. Keep the dbol on hand in case low e2.
Testosterone and EQ can yield some pretty good results if done correctly. I wouldn't add Dbol to this combo personally because it's going to cause a lot of complications, as long as you get the ratio of Test to EQ right you should feel fine, you can always add HCG to help put E2 into a more favourable range. It also helps with mood and libido, helps keep adrenal hormones in balance. I try to steer clear of Orals because of impact on cholesterol and liver health, and there's nothing an oral can do that an injectable can't do better, just have to wait a bit longer to see results, and most of Dbol's results are water anyway. If I had to choose an oral to add to this cycle, I'd probably have to say Anavar or Tbol.I'll preface this by saying I've run test only cycles in the past with the only oral being cardarine (for an athletic meet). But I've been studying compounds a lot and collecting resource on them. I primarily run only test as the addition of a secondary compound necessitates prolonged clearance time and other issues. So until I get out of uni, I'll stick to test.
About Test/EQ/Dbol- Test acts as base while I push the anabolic load with EQ. Now, since EQ acts as an AI for most people which is notoriously known for its EQ anxiety, wouldn't Dbol's heavy aromatization be able to counter that?
I'm aware that dbol can't be run throughout the blast but I'm curious to know if it would amount to measurable progress.
Also, if anyone has run this cycle in the past, I'd love to hear your experience.
Stay strong, brothers in iron
Indeed, but in this manner, incorporating Anavar or Turinabol merely increases the overall milligram dosage—something that could just as easily be achieved by adjusting injectable compounds.Testosterone and EQ can yield some pretty good results if done correctly. I wouldn't add Dbol to this combo personally because it's going to cause a lot of complications, as long as you get the ratio of Test to EQ right you should feel fine, you can always add HCG to help put E2 into a more favourable range. It also helps with mood and libido, helps keep adrenal hormones in balance. I try to steer clear of Orals because of impact on cholesterol and liver health, and there's nothing an oral can do that an injectable can't do better, just have to wait a bit longer to see results, and most of Dbol's results are water anyway. If I had to choose an oral to add to this cycle, I'd probably have to say Anavar or Tbol.
Anavar is great in a recomp too. Shreds the ab fat and helps with intensity. I've never had so little fat on my lower abdomen as I did running anavar with TMTIndeed, but in this manner, incorporating Anavar or Turinabol merely increases the overall milligram dosage—something that could just as easily be achieved by adjusting injectable compounds.
The rationale for introducing an oral steroid is to integrate Class II agents that exert their effects beyond the androgen receptor pathway—compounds like Dianabol, Anadrol, Winstrol, or Halotestin. These substances contribute to enhanced performance not necessarily by directly promoting muscle hypertrophy, but by significantly improving training intensity and output, ultimately leading to greater muscular gains over time.
My two cents.
Holy shit bro! Great work.I’ve gained a 124lb of pretty clean weight with abs in 3 years + a few months.
It's most retarded cycle someone can do.... and you can see who is proposing it....Thank you man!
And Right. I don’t disagree with you. I’m curious to try a masteron based mass phase now to see how that goes. For science.
It's most retarded cycle someone can do.... and you can see who is proposing it....
Looks like my ex ...but you know, he is always right and you are wrong...
150mg is high for dbol if that's per dayDbol has a low binding affinity to SHGB, and the injectable version does not cause me to lose my appetite or cause me any discomfort. My best cycle so far has been with injectable Dbol and Primo. I went up to 150 mg max each. I didn't do any blood tests, so who knows how my liver was doing, and I didn't feel like my oestrogen was excessively high. In hindsight, it was a crazy cycle for me, I wouldn't do it again.
Dbol and Primo daily. Started at 50 mg IM of each every day, up to 150 daily towards the last 3 weeks, from what I remember. No log book back then.150mg is high for dbol if that's per day
150mg is super low for primo if that's per week.
Hard to tell from your post
Damn I can't imagine 150mg dbol per day. Your blood pressure didn't go through the roof?Dbol and Primo daily. Started at 50 mg IM of each every day, up to 150 daily towards the last 3 weeks, from what I remember. No log book back then.
Is pharma E2 cypionate, enanthate or valerate an actual pharma product? I'd love to try this with primo.I’m not recommending that you do or don’t this. But i’ve become known as the guy using injectable e2 as my base in place of test and using other non aromatizing anabolics on top. Estradiol Cypionate, valerate, or enanthate is how I would personally deal with this scenario of eq lowering my estradiol too much.
In fact I started this year off with Boldenone +ECyp as my stack. I haven’t used test in maybe 7-8 months now.
For myself 1mg Estradiol per week = 18-20.5pg/ml additional e2 on my blood work( when done is split eod, and blood is taken the day of my next shot before injecting. )
I like doing this this way, because no matter how much EQ, Primo, mast, dhb, deca, tren, anavar, whatever.. nothing effects or changes my e2 level because my e2 on my blood work is determined by the dose of e2 I inject and nothing else. Even if I were to megadose letrozole, nothing would happen to my e2 and I have in fact tried this to test it and see what happens.
YeahIs pharma E2 cypionate, enanthate or valerate an actual pharma product? I'd love to try this with primo.
All of these above I’ve used.Is pharma E2 cypionate, enanthate or valerate an actual pharma product? I'd love to try this with primo.
All of these above I’ve used.
Cypionate is my preferred- valerate works fine for me too.
