Test ester conversion

[Theworm]

I’m on 50 mg test cyp twice a week (100 mg total per week).

If I wanted to inject the sane amount of prop daily, how does the conversion work? I remember reading prop is more mg of test as the ester weighs less so maybe something like 70 mg prop equals 100 cyp? Any help?

 

[Jeffholio5]

The difference will be negligible imo but why would you want to go to prop rather than long ester for low dose trt?

 

[Theworm]

The difference will be negligible imo but why would you want to go to prop rather than long ester for low dose trt?

AI says 92 mg… so I’m trying to mimic natural levels. If you look at the kyzatrex studies, by not having a constant elevation of say a cyp, there’s less sides specifically the rise in HCT etc than if the periodic high and lows. I bet less prostate enlargement and possible cancer as well

 

[SenorSuperdrol]

Bro science says 75-80mg. If I was going from a gram of cyp to prop I’d use about 750-800.

(Not based on actual science)

 

[Benf15harp]

C
100mg = 68-70mg of actual T
P
100mg = 82-84mg of actual T

Given the higher values
Looks like about 79.8mg of Test P
Daily inject of 11.4mg

Math could be off due to not attending hi skewl or kolage. Lol

 

[Excel.exe]

Daily inject of 11.4mg

how many iu on this 0.3ml insulin syringe i was given by the gym bro

 

[Benf15harp]

how many iu on this 0.3ml insulin syringe i was given by the gym bro
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[xrayphoton13]

Hematocrit is not something to worry about. Stay hydrated. Don't go into your lab test without drinking plenty of water beforehand. I was running over a gram last cycle, all steroids were enanthate, and hematocrit was 42 because I stay hydrated and drink plenty of water before lab work

 

[bigboy420]

Don't go into your lab test without drinking plenty of water beforehand.

Doesnt that just make a false reading?

 

[MyNameIsJeff]

Hematocrit is not something to worry about. Stay hydrated. Don't go into your lab test without drinking plenty of water beforehand. I was running over a gram last cycle, all steroids were enanthate, and hematocrit was 42 because I stay hydrated and drink plenty of water before lab work

Here's the problem. The reference ranges are based on the general population, which are not well hydrated at all (men drink an average of 3.7 liters of fluids per day). Overhydration (say, 6-8 liters in normal temperature environments) might make your numbers looks good relative to the reference range, but it's a deceptive apples to oranges comparison.

In other words, if your hydration level differs from that of the general population (either by being dehydrated or overhydrated), then the reference ranges on most markers are useless and there's not much you can learn from the bloodwork. Hence, make sure you have an average level of hydration when getting you bloods drawn (~4l per day, usually achieved by drinking when thirsty). There's no issue with drinking more on other days, it's just on the day of the blood draw that your hydration should be closer to population average.

 

[readalot]

Here's the problem. The reference ranges are based on the general population, which are not well hydrated at all (men drink an average of 3.7 liters of fluids per day). Overhydration (say, 6-8 liters in normal temperature environments) might make your numbers looks good relative to the reference range, but it's a deceptive apples to oranges comparison.

In other words, if your hydration level differs from that of the general population (either by being dehydrated or overhydrated), then the reference ranges on most markers are useless and there's not much you can learn from the bloodwork. Hence, make sure you have an average level of hydration when getting you bloods drawn (~4l per day, usually achieved by drinking when thirsty). There's no issue with drinking more on other days, it's just on the day of the blood draw that your hydration should be closer to population average.

Bravo.

 

[bigboy420]

Yea, just another method of burying your head in the sand.

 

[xrayphoton13]

Doesnt that just make a false reading?

That's kinda my point. Most people get a false high bc they go into their labs dehydrated. They don't have any water after midnight bc they tell you to fast for labs. But you should still drink plenty of water. Don't be dehydrated for your labs. If you're always well hydrated it's not a false result for you

 

[MyNameIsJeff]

 

[readalot]

Shall we start the discussion of plasma and whole blood viscosity?

 

[Theworm]

Hematocrit is not something to worry about. Stay hydrated. Don't go into your lab test without drinking plenty of water beforehand. I was running over a gram last cycle, all steroids were enanthate, and hematocrit was 42 because I stay hydrated and drink plenty of water before lab work

My HCT was 57! Def something to worry about. I get phlebotomy every 10 weeks and my HCT stays around 50

 

[readalot]

My HCT was 57! Def something to worry about. I get phlebotomy every 10 weeks and my HCT stays around 50

Reducing wear and tear on your precious endothelium. Well done Sir.

High hematocrit risk

Hey guys ! Im a new member Ive been on trt during 3 years, 100-140mg/w cyp test. Hematocrit always high ( between 52-55). Plaqueta and hemoglobinas always on range. Despite my trt doctor sayd there is no problem, i prefer to mantain as low as possible. Ive try to do lot of things ( grapefruit...

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[bigMoJo]

My HCT was 57! Def something to worry about. I get phlebotomy every 10 weeks and my HCT stays around 50

Wow, me too bro! HCT was 61 on only 400mg/wk. Now it's at 50 and getting lower. Takes a while.

I digress, lol, OP's thread is regarding conversion to shorter ester for frequent admin... that, IMO, is a good move. I've read many anectodal reports frequent lower dosing helps stabilize bloods, and it's working for me as well.

Unless the plan is to manipulate test results, I agree, keep hydration consistent with average daily consumption. But IMO, a lot of water should be injested daily anyway... at least 1.5 gallons/day, especially if you have RBC/H&H issues. Additionally, higher water intake is conducive to protein synthesis, and of course, many other benefits.

Regarding CBC (blood) panels—as I
believe @readalot is eluding:

Shall we start the discussion of plasma and whole blood viscosity?

—the date of the "draw" versus the date of the "report" is going to affect the level of Hematocrit (HCT). The longer the duration, the higher the HCT will rise. It's roughly 1% every 2.5 days. So hypothetically, if you "draw" today (HCT is 50) and "report" (or lab test) is on Wednesday, the HCT will likely show higher at 52.

Also, for CBC panel you do not need to fast. Fasting is necessary for Metabolic Panels, "Kidney" panels, Glucose, Insulin, and some others.

 

[Theworm]

Wow, me too bro! HCT was 61 on only 400mg/wk. Now it's at 50 and getting lower. Takes a while.

I digress, lol, OP's thread is regarding conversion to shorter ester for frequent admin... that, IMO, is a good move. I've read many anectodal reports frequent lower dosing helps stabilize bloods, and it's working for me as well.

Unless the plan is to manipulate test results, I agree, keep hydration consistent with average daily consumption. But IMO, a lot of water should be injested daily anyway... at least 1.5 gallons/day, especially if you have RBC/H&H issues. Additionally, higher water intake is conducive to protein synthesis, and of course, many other benefits.

Regarding CBC (blood) panels—as I
believe @readalot is eluding:


—the date of the "draw" versus the date of the "report" is going to affect the level of Hematocrit (HCT). The longer the duration, the higher the HCT will rise. It's roughly 1% every 2.5 days. So hypothetically, if you "draw" today (HCT is 50) and "report" (or lab test) is on Wednesday, the HCT will likely show higher at 52.

Also, for CBC panel you do not need to fast. Fasting is necessary for Metabolic Panels, "Kidney" panels, Glucose, Insulin, and some others.

Are you doing prop?

 

[bigMoJo]

Are you doing prop?

Currently on Cyp 50mg/day. I'm going to make the move to prop, but I've stayed with Cyp for now because: 1. With all the "shortage" questions, I'm using what I have A LOT of; 2. When I started my current cycle with Cyp, I had not yet fully explored the benefit of prop, and I'm inj with same frequency anyway; 3. I want to complete this run with Cyp for my own future data reference of my response.