Test levels w/500mg per week injections

[JerseyDevil]

I know it depends on the individual and other factors, but if a hypogonal male (last tested at 250ng/dl) starts taking 500mg/week of testosterone enanthate, what would the ballpark testosterone levels peak at?

I deduce 100mg per week would put one near the top of the range (750-1,000ng/dl). With the same factors, would 500mg place one closer to 2,000ng/dl, or higher? I assume the effect is not linear.

 

[ENDRO]

I know it depends on the individual and other factors, but if a hypogonal male (last tested at 250ng/dl) starts taking 500mg/week of testosterone enanthate, what would the ballpark testosterone levels peak at?

I deduce 100mg per week would put one near the top of the range (750-1,000ng/dl). With the same factors, would 500mg place one closer to 2,000ng/dl, or higher? I assume the effect is not linear.


There is no way to tell with out blood work. I have spent many hours trying to find a ref and there is non that I could find so that leads me to believe that there is a very wide range depending on the individuals.
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[JerseyDevil]

There has got to be at least a ballpark range. When one is placed on HRT, the weekly dose in the vast majority of cases is 75-100mg. This will place the person somewhere is the 500-800ng/dl range. So surely 500mg/week will place the majority of men in a certain range.

 

[ldslifter]

There has got to be at least a ballpark range. When one is placed on HRT, the weekly dose in the vast majority of cases is 75-100mg. This will place the person somewhere is the 500-800ng/dl range. So surely 500mg/week will place the majority of men in a certain range.

Interesting....when I was taking 200mg every week, the highest reading I ever had was 1090 ng/dl....anything less then that..didn't do jack. I had another friend also on HRT (300 lbs) and he took 300mg every week to keep his blood levels at around 900 to 1000. Funny..it almost seems like there is 1mg per pound of bodyweight ratio...but I'm not a doctor and don't pretend to be one on TV.

just my 2cents.

LDSlifter

 

[ENDRO]

Interesting....when I was taking 200mg every week, the highest reading I ever had was 1090 ng/dl....anything less then that..didn't do jack. I had another friend also on HRT (300 lbs) and he took 300mg every week to keep his blood levels at around 900 to 1000. Funny..it almost seems like there is 1mg per pound of bodyweight ratio...but I'm not a doctor and don't pretend to be one on TV.

just my 2cents.

LDSlifter

The mg range varies a lot on HRT from doctors, after my initial blood test that determined my test levels I had to make four trips back to the doc to tell him how I felt after the last injection. It wasnt intill I started actually feeling the test and had increased libido did he settle on a number and that was much higher then 100 mg per week. No additional blood work was done to see what my levels where.

 

[topcat50]

JD, I'm going through the same thing with my hrt .I originally went through all the bloodwork to get on gh . My test levels were around 250 and my endo wanted to put me on test also but gave me 150mg first week . A week later my test levels were at 900 and so he lowered it to 100mg eow and decided to keep me there .I am adding test but am careful to have them back at his levels in six weeks when I return to keep him from freaking to bad . I asked Einstein about running Propionate eod, since it's out of your system quickly , and he and Johnny B. suggested that I run it up until one week out from my bloodwork and that my levels should be back close to what my Doc will expect . So thats the route that I'm going . Enanthate , like cypionate ,hangs around to long and unless it's a lenghthy wait before your next bloodwork your levels would be way to high unless you got of several weeks to a month before profile . Hope this helps !

 

[SWALE]

I am disapopointed to see more of this advice on how the trick your doctor into giving you more drugs. Do you have any idea how much heat we TRT docs get from the conventional medical community already? So what happens when it is discovered that some of our patients are actually using (and I do mean USING) us to get steroids. THAT is all we need! Think about it. You have a doctor who is one of the few who is willing to appropriately supplement your hormones, and all you can think of is how to endanger his Medical License for doing what is is we all know that ALL doctors should be doing--and I am working so hard to get them to do.

But to answer the question, in my experience, there is no way to tell, up front, what dose will be needed to get a guy to the top of normal range. So I just start them on an initial dose, and go from there.

 

[topcat50]

Swale, No Disrespect to any of you guys performing TRT, I know that you keep all of us healthy through your practice . I'm 51 yrs and have gone through all of the bloodwork needed for my endo to prescribe GH . I am at .04 mg which I know comes out to roughly 1 IU . He mentioned to me that that was a starting dosage and will more than likely increase some at next profile . I would be more than happy to stay around two IU's , but I'll let him make that decision . I have never been one to abuse anabolics but I've taken test for years and have always had bloodwork done to keep a check on my values . He has stated that he will keep me on 100 mg of cyp every other week from now on and that keeps my levels at midpoint .I would like to touch it up a bit by only adding 100mg of prop three days a week . I'll get off a week before he does my next bloodwork and they should be ok to suit him . You say that you work with aas patients and I'm sure that you would agree that that would not be an excessive amount . Even you have mentioned that you will keep your patients at the top of scale and that you give weekly injections to keep bloodlevels more stable .
Again I apologize if this offended you and all of us appreciate your service as moderator on this site .

 

[Rod]

I know it depends on the individual and other factors, but if a hypogonal male (last tested at 250ng/dl) starts taking 500mg/week of testosterone enanthate, what would the ballpark testosterone levels peak at?

I deduce 100mg per week would put one near the top of the range (750-1,000ng/dl). With the same factors, would 500mg place one closer to 2,000ng/dl, or higher? I assume the effect is not linear.

To get a ballpark figure interpolate from this study. Make the assumption that your endogenous production will be nil at the 500 mg dose. Am I wrong Swale?

"The administration of the GnRH agonist plus graded doses of testosterone resulted in mean nadir testosterone concentrations of 253, 306, 542, 1,345, and 2,370 ng/dl at the 25-, 50-, 125-, 300-, and 600-mg doses, respectively."

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/281/6/E1172

 

[Rod]

I assume the effect is not linear.

"Serum total and free testosterone levels (Table 2), measured during week 16, 1 wk after the previous injection, were linearly dependent on the testosterone dose (P = 0.0001)."

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/281/6/E1172

 

[SWALE]

I would throw those charts and graphs out the window. In my experience, they have no value whatsoever. Why? Because we are talking about a real, live, individual. And every-body is different. That is why I start on a good initial dose, then go from there, tailoring the regimen individually.

 

[JerseyDevil]

Thank you Rod! This is exactly what I was looking for. I fully understand this will not be true for all, but common sense tells me a study using 61 males should be able to provide at least a ballpark figure for a given amount of supplemental test.

To get a ballpark figure interpolate from this study. Make the assumption that your endogenous production will be nil at the 500 mg dose. Am I wrong Swale?

"The administration of the GnRH agonist plus graded doses of testosterone resulted in mean nadir testosterone concentrations of 253, 306, 542, 1,345, and 2,370 ng/dl at the 25-, 50-, 125-, 300-, and 600-mg doses, respectively."

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/281/6/E1172

 

[Rod]

Thank you Rod! This is exactly what I was looking for. I fully understand this will not be true for all, but common sense tells me a study using 61 males should be able to provide at least a ballpark figure for a given amount of supplemental test.

Glad to be of some help bro. I think studies like the ones I cited give us a place to start. Of course we need to keep in mind, "Because we are talking about a real, live, individual. And every-body is different., tests are best.

 

[JerseyDevil]

Glad to be of some help bro. I think studies like the ones I cited give us a place to start. Of course we need to keep in mind, "Because we are talking about a real, live, individual. And every-body is different., tests are best.

Exactly. But I said throughout this thread, I was looking for a ballpark figure, not an absolute. I posed this same question on other boards also, and the answer was usually the same "well it's impossible to tell". So it was refreshing to see you posted that abstract. Thanks again.

 

[SWALE]

Rod--Well said!

 

[Captain Steve Rogers]

At 500 mg/week I’m testing at 1,382 ng/dl. Tested twice while on — once at week 5 and again in week 8 (needed to confirm e2 issues). I know that’s just me and my numbers, but thought it might help you 16 years after the original post.