Test/Primo/Var

[permission to land]

Hi Lads.

I plan on doing this blast once I am at 10% body fat

Week 1-14

Test E - 250mg
Primo E - 450mh

Week 7-14

Anavar 50mg


My goals are to add lean tissue with as little fat and water retention as possible, all while keeping sides away and with health in mind (as much as one can do so with taking gear)
I did consider dropping the Var and bumping the test up to 300 and then 350 at weeks 6 and 8. Any thoughts on this?

Any advice or constructive feedback is welcomed!

Thanks

 

[klokke23]

I did consider dropping the Var and bumping the test up to 300 and then 350 at weeks 6 and 8. Any thoughts on this?

I don't feel like those two are at all similar. And bumping enanthate up by 50 in the middle of a cycle does fuck all I'd say.
But I would keep the var. Might be a bit long but I've done 8 weeks myself and only noticed symptoms at the last week.

Consider upping the test for the whole cycle. I once had primo tank my estrogen pretty hard.

 

[permission to land]

Thanks mate. Il be getting an Estorgen test start of week 5. il stick with 250 and see how it goes.

 

[Deadp007]

I don't feel like those two are at all similar. And bumping enanthate up by 50 in the middle of a cycle does fuck all I'd say.
But I would keep the var. Might be a bit long but I've done 8 weeks myself and only noticed symptoms at the last week.

Consider upping the test for the whole cycle. I once had primo tank my estrogen pretty hard.

And 12 weeks might be a bit short for primo E...?
You're basically at a 1:2 test to primo ratio, you might consider a 1:1 ratio and adjusting after 5 wk labs estradiol results...if needed.
Planning any organ support supplements? Var can be harsh after a certain dose & time. YMMV.
Wait for more knowledgeable replies tho.

 

[Daddymcd]

Hi Lads.

I plan on doing this blast once I am at 10% body fat

Week 1-14

Test E - 250mg
Primo E - 450mh

Week 7-14

Anavar 50mg


My goals are to add lean tissue with as little fat and water retention as possible, all while keeping sides away and with health in mind (as much as one can do so with taking gear)
I did consider dropping the Var and bumping the test up to 300 and then 350 at weeks 6 and 8. Any thoughts on this?

Any advice or constructive feedback is welcomed!

Thanks

Looks solid, will probably be my exact cycle after I run another npp cycle.

 

[explodingHeart]

50mg of anavar is more toxic than a gram of gear. It will destroy your lipids and probably jack up your BP.

Avoid orals at all costs.

 

[Deadp007]

50mg of anavar is more toxic than a gram of gear. It will destroy your lipids and probably jack up your BP.

Avoid orals at all costs.

I think that might be a bit overzealous.

 

[Rido]

50mg of anavar is more toxic than a gram of gear. It will destroy your lipids and probably jack up your BP.

Avoid orals at all costs.

What? Lol

 

[explodingHeart]

What? Lol

I think that might be a bit overzealous.

Changes in lipoprotein-lipid levels in normal men following administration of increasing doses of testosterone cypionate - PubMed

Our findings suggest that testosterone cypionate adversely affects cholesterol fractions, that this effect reaches its full magnitude even at very modestly supraphysiologic doses, and that this effect persists for several weeks after discontinuation of the drug.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

We found a 21% depression of high-density lipoprotein cholesterol (HDL-C) levels following the first 300-mg testosterone dose. This depression remained unchanged after the two 600-mg doses. In contrast, we did not find any changes in low-density lipoprotein or total cholesterol levels at any of the time points studied.

In this study, injectable testosterone, up to 600mg a week, has no effect on LDL and a 21% decrease in HDL.

While anavar will typically nearly wipe out your HDL and from what I've seen, will double your LDL.

 

[Deadp007]

There are definitely some worst AAS regarding cholesterol. On this board you'll find members mitigating that impact.
Why list a pubmed article on test c and an anecdotal report on anavar? (Please don't go searching for a pubmed article as its unnecessary).
We know many AAS have these unwanted side effects.
Your statement "Avoid orals at all costs." is a fearfull, over-generalized exaggeration.

 

[klokke23]

There are definitely some worst AAS regarding cholesterol. On this board you'll find members mitigating that impact.
Why list a pubmed article on test c and an anecdotal report on anavar? (Please don't go searching for a pubmed article as its unnecessary).
We know many AAS have these unwanted side effects.
Your statement "Avoid orals at all costs." is a fearfull, over-generalized exaggeration.

Lol I was thinking the same thing.
"Here's a pubmed article saying test has little effect on lipids.
And here is me saying Anavar has an extreme effect on lipids."

 

[explodingHeart]

There are definitely some worst AAS regarding cholesterol. On this board you'll find members mitigating that impact.
Why list a pubmed article on test c and an anecdotal report on anavar? (Please don't go searching for a pubmed article as its unnecessary).
We know many AAS have these unwanted side effects.
Your statement "Avoid orals at all costs." is a fearfull, over-generalized exaggeration.

Lol I was thinking the same thing.
"Here's a pubmed article saying test has little effect on lipids.
And here is me saying Anavar has an extreme effect on lipids."

It's just my opinion. Feel free to disagree and call it bad.

Anavar is well known for destroying lipids so I didn't bother to link to any evidence.

 

[Rido]

Changes in lipoprotein-lipid levels in normal men following administration of increasing doses of testosterone cypionate - PubMed

Our findings suggest that testosterone cypionate adversely affects cholesterol fractions, that this effect reaches its full magnitude even at very modestly supraphysiologic doses, and that this effect persists for several weeks after discontinuation of the drug.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

In this study, injectable testosterone, up to 600mg a week, has no effect on LDL and a 21% decrease in HDL.

While anavar will typically nearly wipe out your HDL and from what I've seen, will double your LDL.

Where is the study for anavar?

I barely had alterations from var.

 

[mass gain]

Your statement "Avoid orals at all costs." is a fearfull, over-generalized exaggeration.

Agree but I also agree that the older you get the less you should rely on oral AAS.

 

[mass gain]

Where is the study for anavar?

I barely had alterations from var.

Just wait, you'll be on your deathbed soon enough

 

[Rido]

Just wait, you'll be on your deathbed soon enough

just a "Trust me bro, I know what I am talking about". Like jesus christ. atleast show us some blood work pre and post var or something. people should monitor their blood work to see the effects on cycle anyways

 

[Deadp007]

Agree but I also agree that the older you get the less you should rely on oral AAS.

Which is probably true...

 

[Blueman]

You could try taking a lower dose of var for a longer duration? Also consider taking it sublingually to avoid the first pass through the liver.

 

[explodingHeart]

just a "Trust me bro, I know what I am talking about". Like jesus christ. atleast show us some blood work pre and post var or something. people should monitor their blood work to see the effects on cycle anyways

Agree but I also agree that the older you get the less you should rely on oral AAS.

You could try taking a lower dose of var for a longer duration? Also consider taking it sublingually to avoid the first pass through the liver.

The effects of an anabolic agent on body composition and pulmonary function in tetraplegia: a pilot study - Spinal Cord

Prospective repeated-measures longitudinal study. To determine if an 8-week course of an oral anabolic steroid can positively effect body composition or pulmonary function in healthy individuals with chronic tetraplegia. United States. Oxandrolone (20 mg per day) was administered for 8 weeks to...

www.nature.com

This was a prospective repeated-measures pilot study of 10 subjects who took 20 mg oxandrolone orally every day in divided doses for 8 weeks.

The mean values for LDL-C and TC increased from 83.9 to 118.5 mg per 100 ml and 147.2 mg per 100 ml to 169.2 mg per 100 ml, respectively, and for HDL-C decreased from 41.8 to 28.5 mg per 100 ml while on therapy, with all three values reaching a maximum change at week 4. The largest change for LDL-C was 41.2% (P=0.028) and for TC was 14.9% (P=0.015) whereas the maximum decline for HDL-C was −31.8% (P=0.002).

low dose 20mg for 8 weeks messed up their LDL pretty badly.

And here's a page of "trust me bro" anecdotes of people wrecking their lipids


View: https://old.reddit.com/r/steroids/comments/1ozurh/holy_cholesterol_my_advice_for_all_the_beginners/

 

[Ryu82]

OP, is this your 3rd or 4th cycle? Just curious.

I'm also a big 1:1 for test and primo guy, but that's what works for me, and might not be for you. (you will know pretty quick once you get your blood work back what you should look at adjusting or not adjusting)

That said, I would rather see something like 300-500 test, 300-500 primo and hold onto the var to see if your gains stall out.