Test/Primo/Var

[Euricomiranda]

Changes in lipoprotein-lipid levels in normal men following administration of increasing doses of testosterone cypionate - PubMed

Our findings suggest that testosterone cypionate adversely affects cholesterol fractions, that this effect reaches its full magnitude even at very modestly supraphysiologic doses, and that this effect persists for several weeks after discontinuation of the drug.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

In this study, injectable testosterone, up to 600mg a week, has no effect on LDL and a 21% decrease in HDL.

While anavar will typically nearly wipe out your HDL and from what I've seen, will double your LDL.

this is the purest truth, then they say that oxan is a weak drug... my total lipids go from 189 to 290 with var... using 60mg a day

 

[Rido]

The effects of an anabolic agent on body composition and pulmonary function in tetraplegia: a pilot study - Spinal Cord

Prospective repeated-measures longitudinal study. To determine if an 8-week course of an oral anabolic steroid can positively effect body composition or pulmonary function in healthy individuals with chronic tetraplegia. United States. Oxandrolone (20 mg per day) was administered for 8 weeks to...

www.nature.com

low dose 20mg for 8 weeks messed up their LDL pretty badly.

And here's a page of "trust me bro" anecdotes of people wrecking their lipids


View: https://old.reddit.com/r/steroids/comments/1ozurh/holy_cholesterol_my_advice_for_all_the_beginners/

10 people with spinal cord injury. Dude. We can monitor our own labs and see our response to it.

Their baseline HDL was already suboptimal. I dont understand what you are trying to get at.

 

[Wunderpus]

Hi Lads.

I plan on doing this blast once I am at 10% body fat

Week 1-14

Test E - 250mg
Primo E - 450mh

Week 7-14

Anavar 50mg


My goals are to add lean tissue with as little fat and water retention as possible, all while keeping sides away and with health in mind (as much as one can do so with taking gear)
I did consider dropping the Var and bumping the test up to 300 and then 350 at weeks 6 and 8. Any thoughts on this?

Any advice or constructive feedback is welcomed!

Thanks

I'm not mad at this. The anavar could be swapped out for injectable winstrol if you'd be open to that... Personally, I prefer it.

 

[Euricomiranda]

While we're on the subject of lipids, can anyone tell me if a high dose of mast 700mg weekly has a big impact on cholesterol? thanks in advance...

 

[Rido]

While we're on the subject of lipids, can anyone tell me if a high dose of mast 700mg weekly has a big impact on cholesterol? thanks in advance...

It varies from person to person.

I have ran 600mg. Hasnt touch my cholesterol much. Other people will destroy it. This is 6 weeks into a cycle of 325 test, 200 deca, 600 mast

 

[mass gain]

It varies from person to person.

I have ran 600mg. Hasnt touch my cholesterol much. Other people will destroy it. This is 6 weeks into a cycle of 325 test, 200 deca, 600 mast

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got the rest of your markers? Curious to see if anything is out of whack.

 

[Rido]

got the rest of your markers? Curious to see if anything is out of whack.

Nothing else was other than my platelets. It's somewhere on my log

Thread '2nd TRT Cruise 220mg Test U and 3rd cycle log.' 2nd TRT Cruise 220mg Test U and 3rd cycle log.

 

[explodingHeart]

this is the purest truth, then they say that oxan is a weak drug... my total lipids go from 189 to 290 with var... using 60mg a day

it's like that for most

10 people with spinal cord injury. Dude. We can monitor our own labs and see our response to it.

Their baseline HDL was already suboptimal. I dont understand what you are trying to get at.

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yes, it was much better than the average roid addict's HDL

"var is safe bro, trust me"

okay man, you're right, take all the var you want, lol

 

[DB_636]

Just did blood test yesterday at my TRT clinic (finally quitting the bullshit clinic route after years) and I plan to run Primo/var cycle. Thinking 12 weeks at 300 test and 300 primo with the last 6 weeks dosing the var at 50mg. Doing this as a cutting cycle. After all is said and done, I'll post all three sets of labs. Pre, intra, and post.

 

[Rido]

yes, it was much better than the average roid addict's HDL

"var is safe bro, trust me"

okay man, you're right, take all the var you want, lol

I dont think you get variations from person to person.

I am not much of an oral person, maybe as a plateau breaker but now I am trying to deplete my stock of orals. I can get more out of injectables than orals.


People do not run mast because it destroys their lipids/hair, but for me it doesnt. My point is. people should run it, get blood work like they are supposed to do. Take notes and keep track what is ideal for their response. growth and general health.

 

[Euricomiranda]

It varies from person to person.

I have ran 600mg. Hasnt touch my cholesterol much. Other people will destroy it. This is 6 weeks into a cycle of 325 test, 200 deca, 600 mast

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damn, it's good so you use statins? zetia?

do you think primobolan is worse for lipids than masteron? the worst of all would be tren e stano in your opinion?

 

[Rido]

damn, it's good so you use statins? zetia?

do you think primobolan is worse for lipids than masteron? the worst of all would be tren e stano in your opinion?

I havent used any cholesterol lowering medication at all.

Primo was worse for me, I am pretty sure some others said the opposite.

I think tren was the worst thing for me. mg for mg.


I wouldnt run that high of a dose regardless so it wouldnt be an issue.

 

[permission to land]

I'm not mad at this. The anavar could be swapped out for injectable winstrol if you'd be open to that... Personally, I prefer it.

That means 8 weeeks of daily injections no?

 

[Wunderpus]

That means 8 weeeks of daily injections no?

I have run it every other day and it seemed to work fine... But, yes, it would require more injections... Sometimes the way it works.

 

[Deadp007]

I'm not mad at this. The anavar could be swapped out for injectable winstrol if you'd be open to that... Personally, I prefer it.

You prefer winny over anavar?
Is winny easier on you lipids? I've always avoided it just due to the stories about horrible pain from dry joints. Do you run any supplements to combat the dry joint issues?
And why do you specify injectable winny over oral winny?
Do you like a target dose range?
Isn't 8 wks a bit too long for any oral besides proviron?

 

[Wunderpus]

You prefer winny over anavar?
Is winny easier on you lipids? I've always avoided it just due to the stories about horrible pain from dry joints. Do you run any supplements to combat the dry joint issues?
And why do you specify injectable winny over oral winny?
Do you like a target dose range?
Isn't 8 wks a bit too long for any oral besides proviron?

I prefer injectable winny as it seems to be significantly easier on lipids and your liver values. However, I realize the frequent injections are less desirable, such is a trade off...
The dry joints seem to be related to extremely low, mostly pre-contest levels, E2. It's probably a 1+1=2 type scenario... When, in reality, winstrol with "healthy" E2 values will not cause joint issues.

Another reason I believe this issue pops up is the intense strength gains from winstrol, even while in a deficit, leading to beat up joints that are not repairing quickly (just a theory).

Injectable winstrol "lasts" longer and has significantly less hepatoxicity. 8 weeks would probably be a bit longer than I'd recommend, yes. 4 weeks would be good with 50mg's EoD being my ideal dose.

 

[Deadp007]

I prefer injectable winny as it seems to be significantly easier on lipids and your liver values. However, I realize the frequent injections are less desirable, such is a trade off...
The dry joints seem to be related to extremely low, mostly pre-contest levels, E2. It's probably a 1+1=2 type scenario... When, in reality, winstrol with "healthy" E2 values will not cause joint issues.

Another reason I believe this issue pops up is the intense strength gains from winstrol, even while in a deficit, leading to beat up joints that are not repairing quickly (just a theory).

Injectable winstrol "lasts" longer and has significantly less hepatoxicity. 8 weeks would probably be a bit longer than I'd recommend, yes. 4 weeks would be good with 50mg's EoD being my ideal dose.

Ok, wow....very interesting. The e2 issue might be valid....sounds like it could definitely have an influence.
I got impressive strength gains from anavar, how does winny compare?

 

[Wunderpus]

Ok, wow....very interesting. The e2 issue might be valid....sounds like it could definitely have an influence.
I got impressive strength gains from anavar, how does winny compare?

I find winstrol to be the "best" oral in terms of strength gains vs. negative side effects... Obviously, things like halo and oral tren have tremendous strength gains, yet tremendous side effects. Winstrol, all in all, is the Goldilocks zone...

 

[permission to land]

While everyone is so engaged, would you do Test 500 or Test 250, Primo 450 for lean tissue gains?

Also thinking of adding 100mg Tren E to help aid fat (along side a clean diet. I read this dose will aid in nutritional partitioning). Anyone think this is a bad idea?

 

[-C19H28O2-]

If You carry this much about your lipids ,stop using everything but test.
bp, hc, kidneys and your heart this is really important to check ,everything else is getting normal after a while when you cruise.

Do some health Supps and stop crying.