To expand further, tren is a nasty and powerful drug. Off-season I'd say you'd be best keeping it under a gram weekly. Which is an insane dose to begin with. Not good advice to be putting on the internet but it's well known that powerlifters at the top level, and even in "natural" events at lighter weight classes have peaked their tren doses at well over 2000mg. It's not much of a return on investment in my opinion past 800. Its more of a drug that gets peaked for maxing out and then gets lowered down or reintroduced later. I am personally only planning on ever running my tren at 175-600 weekly from here on out. Way too expensive to run more, and just not worth it. Money better spent on Masteron or Test, but my days of maxing out doses are going to be replaced with days of utilizing just the right amount. (300-500 per compound 1-2 compounds, sometimes 3 and an oral for brief periods of time)
So, I think what you have written for the first or second stack is a great stack, and a huge amount of potential strength, muscle, and size gain without going too high into mega dose Territory. Still a mega dose though, mg wise dosage overall. But not a completely disgusting oil bag kind of stack.
