Test/Tren advice

[egruberman]

Because Tren will increase prolactin levels and it can cause gyno.

High prolactin levels will also make you feel like shit.

Thanks. I guessed as much. Personally haven't had much of a problem, but I've only ever run tren for a short time and at moderate doses.

I'm curious about prolactin, though, in terms of sexual side effects.

 

[Nidus]

Thanks. I guessed as much. Personally haven't had much of a problem, but I've only ever run tren for a short time and at moderate doses.

I'm curious about prolactin, though, in terms of sexual side effects.

You mean experiencing high or low levels of Prolactine?

in ng/ml or what units?

Yes, ng. The highest i had was using GH secratogues i.e. Ipamorelin/CJC for about 50-60 days straight. Shot my prolactine levels to 45. After stopping it they came down instantly within 1 week.

I only ran Tren at max. of 100mg/Week but that also increased my levels from 8 to about 15.
Lesson learned i guess!

 

[egruberman]

You mean experiencing high or low levels of Prolactine?

Either, really. I've read that caber shortens the refractory period, which is something I'm curious about. Earlier in the year, I was also struggling with the ability to finish. Everything functioned fine, but finishing was difficult. I was having a lot of activity at the time, which may have been part of it, but I was wondering if high or low prolactin might've been the cause. This was a period when I was not on tren. Though I was on a heap of test and primo.

 

[Nidus]

Either, really. I've read that caber shortens the refractory period, which is something I'm curious about. Earlier in the year, I was also struggling with the ability to finish. Everything functioned fine, but finishing was difficult. I was having a lot of activity at the time, which may have been part of it, but I was wondering if high or low prolactin might've been the cause. This was a period when I was not on tren. Though I was on a heap of test and primo.

I experimented with Prolactin a bit as i tend to keep it lower for date nights with my girl. The refractory period is a thing indeed, basically you only need 2-5 minutes in between which is quite fun but let me give you advice, always use lube. When having a lot of sex your dong can get dry and thats when friction really becomes rough on your skin and makes your noodle hurt.

My personal sweet spot below 5 for this. I do use 5mg Cialis, Proviron 25x2 (Morning/Evening) and make sure you have your E2 in the perfect range (also using Primo just for that purpose year around)

I do struggle to finish as well but thats when i know my Prolactin is high (can also be an issue of the mind i.e. watching too much porn or overthinking stuff).

As per Bloodwork the perfect stats for good sex drive for me are E2 around 30-35. Prolactin below 5. SHBG around 7-8 (some might consider it as too low) and about 1300ng of Test spot on. Thats where i feel like the best honestly.
250 Test 200 Primo per week, split into daily injections.

 

[BabaJagga]

I experimented with Prolactin a bit as i tend to keep it lower for date nights with my girl. The refractory period is a thing indeed, basically you only need 2-5 minutes in between which is quite fun but let me give you advice, always use lube. When having a lot of sex your dong can get dry and thats when friction really becomes rough on your skin and makes your noodle hurt.

My personal sweet spot below 5 for this. I do use 5mg Cialis, Proviron 25x2 (Morning/Evening) and make sure you have your E2 in the perfect range (also using Primo just for that purpose year around)

I do struggle to finish as well but thats when i know my Prolactin is high (can also be an issue of the mind i.e. watching too much porn or overthinking stuff).

As per Bloodwork the perfect stats for good sex drive for me are E2 around 30-35. Prolactin below 5. SHBG around 7-8 (some might consider it as too low) and about 1300ng of Test spot on. Thats where i feel like the best honestly.
250 Test 200 Primo per week, split into daily injections.

what does proviron for you in this stack? can you explain its effects?

 

[Nidus]

what does proviron for you in this stack? can you explain its effects?

Proviron increases my Sex drive like crazy, good boost and makes you feel good. Has no anabolic properties though, its like an Oral DHT without the anabolic extras, makes you look a bit more dry, lowers SHBG and makes you horny most of the time

 

[BabaJagga]

Proviron increases my Sex drive like crazy, good boost and makes you feel good. Has no anabolic properties though, its like an Oral DHT without the anabolic extras, makes you look a bit more dry, lowers SHBG and makes you horny most of the time

any downsides? ive read about it while ago, it shouldnt be toxic to liver, right?

 

[Nidus]

any downsides? ive read about it while ago, it shouldnt be toxic to liver, right?

I never noticed any downsides at all, according to my bloodwork it did not impact Liver or Lipids at all.

 

[glpfun]

Either, really. I've read that caber shortens the refractory period, which is something I'm curious about. Earlier in the year, I was also struggling with the ability to finish. Everything functioned fine, but finishing was difficult. I was having a lot of activity at the time, which may have been part of it, but I was wondering if high or low prolactin might've been the cause. This was a period when I was not on tren. Though I was on a heap of test and primo.

Caber can reduce refractory period through lowering prolactin. I think people reach for caber a little too quickly on tren, there is similar scenario playing out there like we have with AIs where it’s someone’s first trt or first cycle and then they let things like fear of gyno get in their head and end up making decisions that crash their e2. Similarly, people are usually taking caber in response to feels instead of bloodwork. As a type of sexual enhancement med for libido it is interesting. There are a bunch of other weird ones that are kind of similar, usually always anti Parkinson’s medication like selegiline and pramipexole

 

[Nidus]

Caber can reduce refractory period through lowering prolactin. I think people reach for caber a little too quickly on tren, there is similar scenario playing out there like we have with AIs where it’s someone’s first trt or first cycle and then they let things like fear of gyno get in their head and end up making decisions that crash their e2. Similarly, people are usually taking caber in response to feels instead of bloodwork. As a type of sexual enhancement med for libido it is interesting. There are a bunch of other weird ones that are kind of similar, usually always anti Parkinson’s medication like selegiline and pramipexole

Look into agnus castus, 2-4mg lowers prolactin significantly without using Caber

 

[knucklesamich]

P-5-P is supposed to work well for low to moderate amounts of a 19-nor, e.g. NPP. If something starts to develop, then I'd move to Caber. P-5-P is cheap, Caber is pretty expensive comparatively. I've always heard, you can crash your prolactin all day, but definitely don't crash your estrogen levels. Lots of studies on prolactin in pregnant women.

 

[intense_bulldoze]

Once you go black, you never go back. Go all the way with the tren !!!!!!

LOL, I see what you did there but this could also be seen as a reference to the infamous Naps black tren (Geneza).

I guess that black tren was fiyahhh after all.

 

[glpfun]

LOL, I see what you did there but this could also be seen as a reference to the infamous Naps black tren (Geneza).

I guess that black tren was fiyahhh after all.