Testosterone Acetate

If the lab someone is using measures or quantifies the preservative Benzyl Alcohol as many do the dry weight of an AAS, the dose of BA may be easily doubled.

Point ask any of these "lab chemists" what an 2% solution is? At least I've been shocked at the responses[:o)]

jim
 
Hey Guys, I want to thank all of you for your answers.
I will let you know how I make out, and what the Final Working Recipe is.......JP
P.S.
Should be doing this end of the week.
 
I just finished. I started with a small Batch.
I just made 2 grams of Test Acetate Powder.
It gave me 20 ml 100 mg/ml.
It came out Perr-fectly, no problems at all.
I did a 5% BA
15% BB
That gave me 13.50 ml of Oil, and for that I did a Mix.
It was 75% Safflower Oil and 25% Grape Seed Oil.
I just found a New Hobby............................JP
P.S.
Again, I want to thank everyone for their input !!!
 
I'm still in your shower, I like the new body wash, smells good :) :) :)
 
I just finished. I started with a small Batch.
I just made 2 grams of Test Acetate Powder.
It gave me 20 ml 100 mg/ml.
It came out Perr-fectly, no problems at all.
I did a 5% BA
15% BB
That gave me 13.50 ml of Oil, and for that I did a Mix.
It was 75% Safflower Oil and 25% Grape Seed Oil.
I just found a New Hobby............................JP
P.S.
Again, I want to thank everyone for their input !!!

Nice job JP, ts MH from Evo...

I wish I would have caught this thread earlier...just because someone is unfamiliar with the ester does not make it rare. I have 9 esters of Test if you include Sust. I sponsored a giveaway of 10 gram bags on another forum and specifically chose this ester. It is very close in half life to Prop, but many people feel it does not come with the negatives. 1st Prop is a bit hard to brew. You need to use BB and it gets tricky going over 100mg/ml. It also has the fame of causing PIP, most people attribute it to the propanoic acid.

The acetate ester is most commonly associated with Tren. It is easy brew, holds with pure BA and is usually considered painless.

There are many esters that are associated with other anabolic steroids....for example who thinks Deca is wierd or rare? Well for those who like long esters like Cyp or E, why not brew up some Test Decanoate? Its one of the longer esters available and is not known by most, but by no means difficult to come by.

Everyone who just loved NPP, why not brew some Test Phenylpropionate?

We get used to seeing the same old stuff and close our minds to what is available. I actually see people giving opinions on brewing Test Ace who have never brewed it or used it. Now you have JP up there who can tell you for real, was it hard to brew? was there PIP?

I might run another give away on Test Decanoate for the long ester fans, just to get people to try something they might not have considered.
 
j
Nice job JP, ts MH from Evo...

1st Prop is a bit hard to brew. Yep no surprise there.

You need to use BB and it gets tricky going over 100mg/ml. It also has the fame of causing PIP, most people attribute it to the propanoic acid.

The acetate ester is most commonly associated with Tren. It is easy brew, holds with pure BA and is usually considered painless.

Now you have JP up there who can tell you for real, was it hard to brew? was there PIP? EXCELLENT QUESTION but with a BA concentration of 5% it would be unavoidable. (oh the LogD of T-a and T-p are almost IDENTICAL)

I might run another give away on Test Decanoate for the long ester fans, just to get people to try something they might not have considered.


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That all sounds great but when an ester is added to a finished pharmacologic organic product it is added as a BASE rather than it's parent ACID.

So for example try to purchase Testosterone propionic ACID you can't
WHY?
Because essentially all AAS are sold in the ester forms such as: Testosterone PROPIONATE!

WHY? Acids are tissue toxic even organic acids with relatively neutral Pka's

Shit what does that mean? Well if anything AAS are being sold as a RELATIVE base which buffers the effects of acids. So the are NOT AT ALL "acidic", got it!

if you really want to know what is happening to cause PIP, (IMO) look a the differing AAS logD at a PHYSIOLOGIC Ph of 7.4.

I will try to explain so please bear with me!

A higher LogD means the more lipophillic (oil loving) a substance is and the EASIER it will dissolve in OILS! So for example the Ld of T-c is around 8 yet the Ld of T-p is around a NEGATIVE TWO! (The logD also accounts for the differing half lives of AAS)

SO what does that mean? Well the PROPIONATE ESTER does NOT dissolve in oils as well as CYPIONATE (now you KNOW why a concentration above 100mg/ml is quite difficult to achieve).

Well many "chemists" "solve this problem" by adding more of the NEEDED preservative BENZYL ALCOHOL. And it works fine because BA :"neutralizes" the effect of a NEGATIVE logD by raising it to approximately ONE.

Groovy doc (lol) all's well that ends well right. Nope the problem is BA is TISSUE TOXIC at concentrations exceeding roughly 3%, and now you know the rest of the story.

Proving a lot of BRO LORE AKA "SCIENCE" is BULLSHIT, Now where do you believe Contagion obtains most of his knowledge from, traditional textbooks or forums, lol!.

IF anyone has a better explaination I'd LOVE to hear it, as long as it's not Contagion Snake oil herbal supplement BULLSHIT!

JIM
 
Inject a 1/2 ml of straight BA and let me know if you want to edit the post.
For my taste it is a bit high, but it was OPs choice.
I did my 1st shot yesterday, and no Burn or PIP...................JP
P.S.
I will lower it, on the next Batch, and log the difference.
 
j



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That all sounds great but when an ester is added to a finished pharmacologic organic product it is added as a BASE rather than it's parent ACID.

So for example try to purchase Testosterone propionic ACID you can't
WHY?
Because essentially all AAS are sold in the ester forms such as: Testosterone PROPIONATE!

WHY? Acids are tissue toxic even organic acids with relatively neutral Pka's

Shit what does that mean? Well if anything AAS are being sold as a RELATIVE base which buffers the effects of acids. So the are NOT AT ALL "acidic", got it!

if you really want to know what is happening to cause PIP, (IMO) look a the differing AAS logD at a PHYSIOLOGIC Ph of 7.4.

I will try to explain so please bear with me!

A higher LogD means the more lipophillic (oil loving) a substance is and the EASIER it will dissolve in OILS! So for example the Ld of T-c is around 8 yet the Ld of T-p is around a NEGATIVE TWO! (The logD also accounts for the differing half lives of AAS)

SO what does that mean? Well the PROPIONATE ESTER does NOT dissolve in oils as well as CYPIONATE (now you KNOW why a concentration above 100mg/ml is quite difficult to achieve).

Well many "chemists" "solve this problem" by adding more of the NEEDED preservative BENZYL ALCOHOL. And it works fine because BA :"neutralizes" the effect of a NEGATIVE logD by raising it to approximately ONE.

Groovy doc (lol) all's well that ends well right. Nope the problem is BA is TISSUE TOXIC at concentrations exceeding roughly 3%, and now you know the rest of the story.

Proving a lot of BRO LORE AKA "SCIENCE" is BULLSHIT, Now where do you believe Contagion obtains most of his knowledge from, traditional textbooks or forums, lol!.

IF anyone has a better explaination I'd LOVE to hear it, as long as it's not Contagion Snake oil herbal supplement BULLSHIT!

JIM

Thanks for the information! The BA is added to increase the solubility. This will come in handy if I ever decide to brew propionate!
 
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Not sure but see my post below, and IF a 5% mixture of BA was achieved it's GONNA HURT, like PIP should, unless he has an arse of steel.
I don't hit the Arse (cute, I like that), Dr. Jim.
I do however have Quads of Steel, and I alternate on them.
I looked back over my Recipe, originally it was for 5 grams of Hormone.
When I altered it to 2 grams of Hormone, I forgot to lesson the BA.
It should have been at 2% of Total Volume........................JP
P.S.
I do have one question for you Dr. Jim.
I saw a Recipe by Bill Roberts, and it has no BA in it.
I thought that some BA would be beneficial, even if it's below 2%.
 
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Good question mate, and the answer is well it depends!

See the primary reason I CAPITALIZED Benzyl Alcohol in that discussion was the level of understanding varies considerably on Meso AND I did not want those with more limited fund of knowledge to believe BA is added to improve the solubility of an AAS exclusively.

The point, was to ensure they knew some BA was NEEDED as a preservative but the amount required ranges between 1-2%

Now to answer YOUR question.

Because BA can be dissolved in both fat and water based solutions it may be used as a "preservative" for those medications which utilize either water or fat as their solvents.

But understand "preservatives" are considered bacteriostatic, which means they hamper bacterial reproduction (vs becteriocidal which actively kills bacteria).

However since mono and diglycerides are horrible media for bacterial fixation as an energy source, replication is reduced remarkably in oily media.

Consequently providing the oils being used as the AAS solvent is "heavily" filtered knowing no BA will be added, the AAS will be used in a timely fashion (<2-3 mos) and used by one person to diminish cross contamination, it seems reasonable to omit BA altogether.

All that being said, because Bill is no novice and has a very advanced understanding of PEDs in general, AAS in particular, I would NOT recommend new cooks omit BA.

Why?

Well like many things in life their is no substitute for experience (excluding perhaps an education & BR has BOTH) and the risk of contamination to high, especially considering the consequences, hospital admission for sepsis!

Jim
 
Paragraph 7 should have included the comparison.
......oily media. This in contradistinction to water based solutions where bacteria thrive.

In the latter circumstance a "preservative" is essentially mandatory UNLESS the water is truly sterile and the medication is used almost immediately after being prepared.

Jim
 
Paragraph 7 should have included the comparison.
......oily media. This in contradistinction to water based solutions where bacteria thrive.

In the latter circumstance a "preservative" is essentially mandatory UNLESS the water is truly sterile and the medication is used almost immediately after being prepared.

Jim
Thanks Dr. Jim, I kind of figured that was the reasoning behind Bill Roberts decision not to use the BA, but I wanted to get your Insight on this.
I'm not that brave, even though I'm extremely careful when brewing,and this is for my personal use only, I'm going to stick with the 2% BA in my Oils..............JP
P.S.
Just to be extra careful, don't need any kind of Infection.
 
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