Testosterone, Gonasi and HMG for fertility

[mikelaurey84]

Thank you guys, yes, I'm already prepared to come off testosterone if it is needed! The problem is that in order to see if a fertility protocol works fine you have to wait at least 2-3 months and then, if you find out that it is not working, you have lost additional 2-3 months and increased the tests damage since you continued to use testosterone.

I think it is a delicate issue!

 

[Type-IIx]

This is EXACTLY what we told you.


See my previous post. You need to go see a doc.

Follow Peter's advice sure... but do so with a doctor if you are serious about regaining fertility. It is NOT something you should just be fiddling about with on your own.

He's literally an MD, and these protocols are common practice, e.g. intramuscular or subcutaneous doses of 1000–2500 IU hCG applied twice a week (Monday and Friday) and 75–150 IU hMG applied three times a week (Monday, Wednesday and Friday) were effective in restoring fertility in both primary and secondary hypogonadism, from,
[1] Buchter, D., Behre, H., Kliesch, S., & Nieschlag, E. (1998). Pulsatile GnRH or human chorionic gonadotropin/human menopausal gonadotropin as effective treatment for men with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism: a review of 42 cases. European Journal of Endocrinology, 139(3), 298–303. doi:10.1530/eje.0.1390298.

 

[Type-IIx]

There's some really good fertility protocols online.. do some research..I wanna say I remember seeing a few other compounds added to some as well.. bostin Floyd fertility protocol worked for him. He abuse gear pretty well.. if a protocol fails.. then come pff..and pct and pray you get your sermon back up

Bostin Floyd is scum. Nobody should be steered in the direction of such dangerous lunacy. Know what else works? Dumb luck and time off drugs.

 

[mikelaurey84]

He's literally an MD, and these protocols are common practice, e.g. intramuscular or subcutaneous doses of 1000–2500 IU hCG applied twice a week (Monday and Friday) and 75–150 IU hMG applied three times a week (Monday, Wednesday and Friday) were effective in restoring fertility in both primary and secondary hypogonadism, from,
[1] Buchter, D., Behre, H., Kliesch, S., & Nieschlag, E. (1998). Pulsatile GnRH or human chorionic gonadotropin/human menopausal gonadotropin as effective treatment for men with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism: a review of 42 cases. European Journal of Endocrinology, 139(3), 298–303. doi:10.1530/eje.0.1390298.

I've found also some other papers about the same topic but they always involve few test cases. My question is: why if this protocol work fine only few people on gear or on trt try to follow it? All the men would like to preserve their fertility, is it correct? So why almost no one use this kind of protocol? It is just me curiosity

 

[Type-IIx]

I've found also some other papers about the same topic but they always involve few test cases. My question is: why if this protocol work fine only few people on gear or on trt try to follow it? All the men would like to preserve their fertility, is it correct? So why almost no one use this kind of protocol? It is just me curiosity

Maintenance is much murkier than recovery after a return to homeostasis, whether it's universally possible is an open question. If Peter Bond discusses that in his article I'd listen. All I know is there's significant interindividual variation and all that.

I have a study on test cyp at least that shows it took a while (7-19 weeks) for full LH suppression for 250mg and 500mg. Suppression of fertility (azoospermia, oligozoospermia) was substantial: by the end of a 14 week cycle, 250mg and 500mg groups were suppressed at about 48% for 250g at week 28(!) versus 67% for 500mg. By week 40, sperm counts almost normal in 250mg group but still lower than baseline. The endogenous T secretion rate returned to baseline at approx week 23 in all groups (Youwei et al., 2018, Population PK/PD Modeling of Testosterone Cypionate in Healthy Male Subjects).

I'd say you're incorrect in your assumption, the vast majority of AAS users probably don't want to be able to conceive while on... Lifestyle factors and all that.

 

[Forthewin1123]

Bostin Floyd is scum. Nobody should be steered in the direction of such dangerous lunacy. Know what else works? Dumb luck and time off drugs.

That's your opinion..I'm not gonna argue that.. but his protocol is not crazy and works...
For the record habe you seen protocols he gives his clients? You assuming his coaching us the same style as his own..

 

[mikelaurey84]

Honestly, being fertile while on testo wasn't one of my priorities at the beginning since I started it a week after my wife got pregnant.

I was fine with that but after four months we lost our baby and so now I need to recover my fertility again since we would like to try to have another baby in the near future.

I guess this is a common problem among people on TRT..

 

[PeterBond]

He's literally an MD, and these protocols are common practice, e.g. intramuscular or subcutaneous doses of 1000–2500 IU hCG applied twice a week (Monday and Friday) and 75–150 IU hMG applied three times a week (Monday, Wednesday and Friday) were effective in restoring fertility in both primary and secondary hypogonadism, from,
[1] Buchter, D., Behre, H., Kliesch, S., & Nieschlag, E. (1998). Pulsatile GnRH or human chorionic gonadotropin/human menopausal gonadotropin as effective treatment for men with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism: a review of 42 cases. European Journal of Endocrinology, 139(3), 298–303. doi:10.1530/eje.0.1390298.

I'm not sure if you're referring to me, but I feel obliged to point out that I'm not an MD.

 

[grey]

He's literally an MD

He isn't the OP's doctor. There is a difference between getting some advice in a forum post and being under a physician's care.

 

[grey]

Honestly, being fertile while on testo wasn't one of my priorities at the beginning since I started it a week after my wife got pregnant.

I was fine with that but after four months we lost our baby and so now I need to recover my fertility again since we would like to try to have another baby in the near future.

I guess this is a common problem among people on TRT..

Truly sorry to hear that brother.

I hope this gets cleared up for you and your family.

 

[mikelaurey84]

Thank you, grey!

This topic clarified me lots of things and I'll talk about that with my doc during my next meeting with him.

Probably, there are no users in this forum that had my same experience and tried to preserve fertility while on TRT or cycle, it would be very interesting to check their feedback.

 

[mikelaurey84]

My doctor suggested me to continue with the Testosterone 125mg/week and adding 1000UI hCG/week plus Clomid 1/2 capsule every other day for three months and then have again the sperm test.

He is a specialist and he had my same issue years ago (azoospermia) when he was cycling and his wife wanted a baby.

I do not know if I will follow the protocol, honestly, I'm seriously considering to stop everything and do just a PCT to fully recover.

In my opinion, taking testo+hcg will continue to suppress my overall system and won't raise my FSH while is the only important value at the moment because I need to re-start my spermiogenesis.