Thank you! I just want to be certain that it's not going to lead me down that old familiar road. Honestly though, I'm doing it to make myself better..which was never my motive when I was doing other things.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
The addict and aas
- Thread starter Cityofgrit
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Lol...ahh Godwin ave, auburn, straight st, the towers and everywhere in between...been there done that is right my friend!
I am also clean and sober, having had bad problems with alcohol, crystal meth, heroin, etc in the past.
Currently only have 6 months clean but I’ve had periods of clean time in the past as well and know the stigma that AAS carries specifically in the realm of sobriety. A lot of people in AA/NA like to say that AAS is considered a relapse. I don’t see it as so.
For me in order to constitute a relapse I would have to knowingly consume a psychoactive substance for the purpose of changing the way I feel. AAS may change your attitude or head space in a way depending on substance (like I’ve never used the big bad Tren for example
yet...) but I don’t know of any steroids that are going to result in any sort of rush or euphoric up or down state. TL;DR if I’m not getting loaded I didn’t relapse. That’s like saying using SSRI’s to accomplish mental health goals is a relapse. Though I don’t like SSRI’s personally.
However, that being said I do see how the addict mentality comes into play. For instance, in my life, I had trained on and off since high school but a year or two ago I got really bad into meth and heroin and got down to 150lbs at 6’3’. Now that I’ve been training and eating hard for the past 6 months and have gained almost 60 lbs (25 of it was surely fat but hey I was like SKELETOR at 150) I feel compelled to do a cycle because I know what it’s like how great working out on it is and I like immediate gratification. If I wasn’t an addict I’d probably tell myself I should lose about 3-4% bf and get stronger, but I like to use substances to improve things which is very tied to my addict nature.
Anyway the way I see it anything that keeps me making progress in something positive and keeps my head away from getting high is good.
Currently only have 6 months clean but I’ve had periods of clean time in the past as well and know the stigma that AAS carries specifically in the realm of sobriety. A lot of people in AA/NA like to say that AAS is considered a relapse. I don’t see it as so.
For me in order to constitute a relapse I would have to knowingly consume a psychoactive substance for the purpose of changing the way I feel. AAS may change your attitude or head space in a way depending on substance (like I’ve never used the big bad Tren for example
yet...) but I don’t know of any steroids that are going to result in any sort of rush or euphoric up or down state. TL;DR if I’m not getting loaded I didn’t relapse. That’s like saying using SSRI’s to accomplish mental health goals is a relapse. Though I don’t like SSRI’s personally.However, that being said I do see how the addict mentality comes into play. For instance, in my life, I had trained on and off since high school but a year or two ago I got really bad into meth and heroin and got down to 150lbs at 6’3’. Now that I’ve been training and eating hard for the past 6 months and have gained almost 60 lbs (25 of it was surely fat but hey I was like SKELETOR at 150) I feel compelled to do a cycle because I know what it’s like how great working out on it is and I like immediate gratification. If I wasn’t an addict I’d probably tell myself I should lose about 3-4% bf and get stronger, but I like to use substances to improve things which is very tied to my addict nature.
Anyway the way I see it anything that keeps me making progress in something positive and keeps my head away from getting high is good.
Ozzy619
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When I was on subs, after heavy opiate use my T was extremely low. Took me a solid year to get like 80 percent normal. When I did my first cycle my libido was through the roof, actually got my wife pregnant lol. During and after my first cycle I was back to 100. I believe it really helped me to heal and recover much faster.
Yeah not a relapse. Just be really careful. Just as we addicts can turn something that should be an occasional, social thing done in moderation, into something that becomes our reason for even existing, and continue using despite our lives crumbling around us. We can also rationalize and justify 500 mg cruises, or 6 month use of orals, or year long cycles, etc. The brain of an addict is a funny thing. Set limits, and if you aren’t disciplined enough to follow them, then be honest with yourself and back off. So yeah sober individuals can use AAS, but is very risky imo, The health consequences can seem remote and as an addict it’s very very easy To push the envelope and let things get out of control. These substances will fuck you up in the worst way if you don’t respect them and take care of
yourself. Great thread though op Good luck and be safe whatever you decide
yourself. Great thread though op Good luck and be safe whatever you decide
I think a big part of my libido issues are from the opiates I used, I know they affect T pretty bad, but also I think the fact that I had to be on meth to have sex for the past few years. Really my entire life Ive had to be atleast stoned to fuck or do anything and when your brain gets accustomed to wild titilating meth sex it has to adjust to sober sex again.
It is what it is. It can just be difficult in a relationship and being the one with a low sex drive. But it’s getting better as time goes on. I’m hoping with this upcoming cycle I become insatiable
Ozzy619
New Member
I think a big part of my libido issues are from the opiates I used, I know they affect T pretty bad, but also I think the fact that I had to be on meth to have sex for the past few years. Really my entire life Ive had to be atleast stoned to fuck or do anything and when your brain gets accustomed to wild titilating meth sex it has to adjust to sober sex again.
It is what it is. It can just be difficult in a relationship and being the one with a low sex drive. But it’s getting better as time goes on. I’m hoping with this upcoming cycle I become insatiable
Have you cycled before? I'd recommend getting bloods done before hand so you can compare. Damn while meth did make me a lot more nasty, fucking on it was near impossible. I'm sure you'll be fine once you get on cycle.
Oldschool
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I hear you. Meth made me want to fight not fuck. I hate Meth.
I am a ex heroin addict but liked to shoot all drugs including cocaine. I am doing a cycle as we speak and I feel the best I've ever felt. I stick to a 12-16 week cycle a year if everything lines up correctly. I researched, I use appropriate dosages, and I use a proper PCT protocol. Just plan and be responsible. Do i know what i am doing? Can I afford this financially? What if something happens (injury, work etc)? Is my diet in check? Is my training in check? Do I have enough dedication to this cycle and the gym combined? Does my source provide reliable gear? Even, do needles trigger me? If all is well with the above, happy growing!
I was a needle user myself..I really had to ask myself if it is a trigger. I really want to build the best possible me I can and I've reached the point where a little help would go a long way.
I cycled test 500mg solo when I was 19 (I know). I pct’d although a bit haphazardly, and I honestly don’t remember even feeling that shitty during the pct. I bounced back pretty quickly.
I’m 24 now and the past year or so I’ve felt less interested in sex, had less drive overall in life, and felt fatigued all the time. I’m going to try to get in for bloods sometime in the next week or so.
I’m 24 now and the past year or so I’ve felt less interested in sex, had less drive overall in life, and felt fatigued all the time. I’m going to try to get in for bloods sometime in the next week or so.
I was a meth user for a long time..shit fucked up my life for years. People meet me now and they can't believe I used to be a tweeker. My life is a thousand times better than it's ever been.I hear you. Meth made me want to fight not fuck. I hate Meth.
Ozzy619
New Member
Ive been there too along with soul crushing depression and anxiety. I believe low T is highly over looked in addicts in recovery. Your bloods will tell you a lot and your symptoms sound indicative of low T. Cycling at 19 and then going to substance abuse will crush anyones natural levels.
I agree, I'm 36 but my T levels were in the toilet most likely from the stress I put on my body through substance abuse
Ozzy619
New Member
I think after going through some major shit from substance abuse makes pct laughable to some of use as far as depression goes. PCT requires pharma grade ancillaries, thats my advice for a seamless recovery. Tren makes me nutty in my wife with the libido it gives me.
MetalHeavy6
Member
I am clean off of drugs for 10 yrs. My girl is a social worker/ drug counselor with a masters. She just said today that I am addicted to AAS. We had a debate in which i never win but, in no way has cycling ever made me think about going back to hard drugs. In fact, the opposite effect was had. I feel great and i’m in the gym instead of a Mcdonald’s bathroom 6-7 days a week.
Like anything, it could get out of control. I wouldn’t recommend being newly clean and starting gear. You need some adult level coping skills and a little bit of mental stability.
I believe addicted to aas and hard drugs are in a completely different echelon. I’m not going out and ripping aluminum siding off of houses for scrap, so that i can get a bottle of test. Just sayin, be careful. Know your limits. You can always cut back or add if you have to. You don’t have to blast 12ccs a day to start. I’m not expert but i’d say from my own experiences that it’s manageable.
Like anything, it could get out of control. I wouldn’t recommend being newly clean and starting gear. You need some adult level coping skills and a little bit of mental stability.
I believe addicted to aas and hard drugs are in a completely different echelon. I’m not going out and ripping aluminum siding off of houses for scrap, so that i can get a bottle of test. Just sayin, be careful. Know your limits. You can always cut back or add if you have to. You don’t have to blast 12ccs a day to start. I’m not expert but i’d say from my own experiences that it’s manageable.
I would agree...I'm not in some trailer park, in a trailer with no power or running water, sticking the same needle I'd used ten times before, where the needle was about to break off, in my arm. I've been sober for seven years. My life is absolutely night and day from where it was..I'm a homeowner with a new car and a damn good job..and even a degree. I don't ever want that life back. I don't see aas as taking me down that road. I want to be as responsible as I can be about my supplementing with aas. I really appreciate your response as well as the responses of everyone. It's awesome to know that I'm one of many in this Meso family and that we all support each other.
