The addict and aas

[Dregib]

I am clean off of drugs for 10 yrs. My girl is a social worker/ drug counselor with a masters. She just said today that I am addicted to AAS. We had a debate in which i never win but, in no way has cycling ever made me think about going back to hard drugs. In fact, the opposite effect was had. I feel great and i’m in the gym instead of a Mcdonald’s bathroom 6-7 days a week.
Like anything, it could get out of control. I wouldn’t recommend being newly clean and starting gear. You need some adult level coping skills and a little bit of mental stability.
I believe addicted to aas and hard drugs are in a completely different echelon. I’m not going out and ripping aluminum siding off of houses for scrap, so that i can get a bottle of test. Just sayin, be careful. Know your limits. You can always cut back or add if you have to. You don’t have to blast 12ccs a day to start. I’m not expert but i’d say from my own experiences that it’s manageable.

One tears you down, another has great potential to build you up. Both mentally and physically. The only similarity for me is using syringes which of course scares the average person. But whatever. And having the syringes around doesn’t trigger me. A slin pin kinda triggers me when I see it but I don’t use those.

Also agree it’s awesome to see other addicts clean and active on here.

 

[Bigboy727]

Shit now i rather spend money on test and tren then a couple grams of cocaine and some cheap strippers from Paterson! Priorities my friend

That’s a toss up...

 

[Ozzy619]

I am clean off of drugs for 10 yrs. My girl is a social worker/ drug counselor with a masters. She just said today that I am addicted to AAS. We had a debate in which i never win but, in no way has cycling ever made me think about going back to hard drugs. In fact, the opposite effect was had. I feel great and i’m in the gym instead of a Mcdonald’s bathroom 6-7 days a week.
Like anything, it could get out of control. I wouldn’t recommend being newly clean and starting gear. You need some adult level coping skills and a little bit of mental stability.
I believe addicted to aas and hard drugs are in a completely different echelon. I’m not going out and ripping aluminum siding off of houses for scrap, so that i can get a bottle of test. Just sayin, be careful. Know your limits. You can always cut back or add if you have to. You don’t have to blast 12ccs a day to start. I’m not expert but i’d say from my own experiences that it’s manageable.

That's nuts. My wife let's me cycle whenever I want because she knows what a real addict/alcoholic looks like if I go on a bender. I guess a person can be psychological addicted but nothing like a true drug addiction. I guess a woman can find a way to complain about any damn thing.

 

[ICD-HardThings]

It was a tough decision for me to decide to get back into pinning. I myself am in recovery and will have 4 years this year. I spent most my life as junkie. What I don't discuss with others in recovery is my training habits or things I use. At this point i've been using ph, sarms, and peptides and im considering returning to gear.

Glad to see this post and that others out there share this in common.

 

[ICD-HardThings]

Probably not the spot for this, but I bet you guys are some of the best with my situation. I run a mens chem free home in which I live. I've been doing this for 2 years and everyone knows I train hard and they expect to see gains with as disciplined as I have been. Ive run SARMs, PHs, and Peps with steady gains. Im going to run some gear after my PH pct wraps up. I've got Tren A and Test C about to touch down. So here's the million dollar question what should I run so it isn't suspect. Im 187.6lbs and 12%bf maybe a little less now.

 

[Gbro]

The effects of tren might make things a little obvious.

 

[ICD-HardThings]

The effects of tren might make things a little obvious.

I can't go back on til june 9th I'm just in off season prep right now. I thought about running one of them solo for a little bit. What's your thoughts? I'm open about running substances in the grays areas just not gear. My next run was going to be a PH stack of Msten original IML, Brawn m1a, and UG epistane old school and I decided to just go to the gear.

 

[tenpoundsleft]

Anyone here have a history of alcoholism and illicit drug use who are currently sober and using AAS? If so how do you feel about it? I'm clean and sober off of some bad substances and am not certain how to feel about doing a cycle

Numerous threads about this - I've never been addicted to anything other than pussy (and I don't say that as a joke), but the amount of people on here with SEVERE drug addictions in the past was surprising.

Sadly, we've had a couple active BMs pass over the years too - RIP - apparently from a relapse. So be mindful and careful.

Re a cycle, you should probably go through the regular process here - letting us know your age, weight, BF%, blood work results, training experience, eating habits, general health etc etc - and then you can get better advice.

 

[ICD-HardThings]

Numerous threads about this - I've never been addicted to anything other than pussy (and I don't say that as a joke), but the amount of people on here with SEVERE drug addictions in the past was surprising.

Sadly, we've had a couple active BMs pass over the years too - RIP - apparently from a relapse. So be mindful and careful.

Re a cycle, you should probably go through the regular process here - letting us know your age, weight, BF%, blood work results, training experience, eating habits, general health etc etc - and then you can get better advice.

I appreciate that brother. I'm 37, 187.6lbs, last bf was 12%, eating habits is very clean 2700-3000 calorie daily right now, most protein from food. Im an endurance athlete, road runner, gym habit 5 days week a couple hours at a time. Run now im running clo/nolv after PH cycle. I take a multi, omega 3-6-9, omega 3 oil, mct, cla, zma, alpha forma-v ancillary support. Good bp a 58 resting pulse. Last labs was about 400 testosterone.

 

[Dregib]

I can't go back on til june 9th I'm just in off season prep right now. I thought about running one of them solo for a little bit. What's your thoughts? I'm open about running substances in the grays areas just not gear. My next run was going to be a PH stack of Msten original IML, Brawn m1a, and UG epistane old school and I decided to just go to the gear.

Honestly man, I’ve lived in halfway houses like you’re talking about several times. All of the times there were guys using gear. One of them being a house manager. One time a guy got caught because he left a used pin out in plain view.

The reality is some people who know certain tell tale signs of gear use might catch on. It’s likely that people won’t.

Really I think what it comes down to is whether you have quite the influence over these very vulnerable dudes. Do you like own the place? Or are you someone that came in as a resident and was given house manager position in exchange for cheaper rent etc? I’ve known AAS use to be pretty prolific in sober circles, however looking at the kind of person I was a couple of times while I was living in a sober house, I probably would have raised a shit storm if I’d found out the owner was injecting illegal substances regardless of what it was because then it’d make it easy for me to justify the bad shit I’d have wanted to do, and I’m sure there’s guys like that in your house.

Anyway if you are really working at sobriety and have developed that sense of self awareness I’m sure you’re not gonna like tren rage at the house. The real question id ask myself if I were you, is whether or not it’s the right thing to do with the position I’m in in a community of vulnerable dudes with their lives n the line.

Not saying I personally feel any way about it, I couldn’t do what you do in regard to the house because I’m too selfish lol and I applaud you.

 

[ICD-HardThings]

All very valid points. Thank you for the lengthy reply there isn't any insight as good as those looking from the outside in.

I started living where I am 4 years ago as a resident. It was about 2 years ago that I started managing for a reduction in rent. About 1 year ago a became a partner and have a vested interest in the house (2 houses). About 50% of my residents have been in my houses for at least 1 year and know how much time I put into training and food. That being said I know people expect to see my body change. When I got sober I was 130lbs and skyrocketed to 240 in sobriety (all fat). Before being a junkie I was 219 all muscle. Ive spent the the last 2 years training and running marathons. I had labs done and my T is crashed. My insurance at the time wouldn't pay for TRT. I just changed providers and should find out today what they cover. Your right about the tren. I had an almost immediate change of heart. I think im going to run test p at about 75mg eod for a little bit. Maybe bump it a little higher just above a TRT level.

As far as the community of guys I live with I encourage them to get in the gym, get healthy, and be the change they want to see. Im very open about using PHs and SARMs with a proper pct and knowing what your putting in your body. Just right on that gray area threshold. What I dont talk about with anyone is my use of peptides and consideration to run gear.

 

[Dregib]

Right on man. Honestly if I were you test p at 75 eod that’s only like 300mg a week yet 4 pins a week. And prop is known to have pip. All that pinning for a very mild dose. I’d run test e or Cyp at 500mg e3.5d for 12 weeks. Maybe use dbol or anadrol as a kicker for the first 4 or 5 weeks. Standard beginner cycle and you won’t be disappointed.

 

[ICD-HardThings]

Ill have 2x cyp and 3x p on hand. Have a good source just waiting for a restock. Ive run sust before and that worked really well with endurance training so I was thinking that or equi for its know endurance properties in the fall. I was thinking a short Summer run break and then back on in Fall. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Dregib]

You could run prop along side the Cyp to kickstart. But generally people run 12-16 week cycles, and then when the ester clears your system (usually around 3 weeks after last pin) you PCT for about a month. A general rule of thumb is time off cycle=time on cycle if you’re not blasting and cruising. You’re not going to have the long estered test cyp built up in your system until 4 or so weeks is when it will take effect.

 

[ICD-HardThings]

Definitely can't blast and cruise. I was just thinking shorter cycle time to not get stupid with results. I was thinking in my head about 10 weeks and if its not retarded at that point maybe run 12. What are your thoughts on a PH pct doing 1 on 2 off. Basically I did 30 days on then pct 30 days and was going to run 30 days nothing. Or should I just run pct then start my cycle.

 

[Dregib]

Well honestly I don’t know a lot about PH. The smart thing to do would be pct, then wait a month, then get bloods done to see where you’re at with the PH cycles you’ve done and your natural test has been affected then move forward. However I mean you could just go straight into gear. Idk.

 

[Morefyah]

What’s a PH pct? Do you mean OTC?

 

[Dregib]

I think he’s implying a less medicated possibly shorter pct for prohormone but I think depending on what he took a normal pct protocol would still be warranted

 

[Morefyah]

I think he’s implying a less medicated possibly shorter pct for prohormone but I think depending on what he took a normal pct protocol would still be warranted

Well if he’s talking about M1a, Msten or Epistane he needs a full pct! With at least a shitty research chem grade pct, preferably pharm grade. Those compounds are full blown designer steroids and no conversion is necessary. They will shut you down as hard as Adrol or Dbol.

 

[roastdawg]

Nine years sober myself. Meth, opiates, and alcohol were my drugs of choice. I don't know if it's age or the years of drug abuse but even after years of sobriety my energy levels never recovered. Test helps a lot, I generally feel really good anywhere from a trt dose to about 500mg a week. Anything over that and I don't feel good so I keep doses low. Works for me, good luck with whatever you choose to do brother.