the fast mimicking diet: lose fat (and gain a little muscle)

[ergomaniac]

ergo-log.com/fast-mimicking-diet-fat-muscle.html

I think I remember someone posting about this before.
thinksteroids.com/community/threads/diet-that-mimics-fasting-appears-to-slow-aging.134366959

throw it in search engine. fast mimicking diet valter longo, if anyones interested.
lose fat, gain muscle, get smarter, live longer.
sounds good to me. and its so easy.

 

[RodgerThat]

So your saying is have to eat 750 calories for 4 days in a row and I wouldn't binge eat like a mofo the day after making up for every precious calorie I missed the prior days. I don't think this is very viable for anybody who does any sort of active work or wants to not kill someone due to canabalistic hunger?

On another note I'm going to try it in January cause the science seems sound

 

[Mayne]

I eat 750 calories for breakfast, like what in the fuck am I gonna feed on for another 4 days, have fun lifting previously warm up weight as a 1 RM

 

[ergomaniac]

So your saying is have to eat 750 calories for 4 days in a row and I wouldn't binge eat like a mofo the day after making up for every precious calorie I missed the prior days. I don't think this is very viable for anybody who does any sort of active work or wants to not kill someone due to canabalistic hunger?

On another note I'm going to try it in January cause the science seems sound

I have an active job and have done 3 day fasts (no food) with no problem. the hunger is in your head for the most part. after 3 days with no food, believe it or not, you don't really feel starved.
maybe try running it like a body opus diet and spend those five days in ketosis. your hunger should be minimal. then if you want, maybe you can throw in a small binge and call it a reefed.

 

[ergomaniac]

I eat 750 calories for breakfast, like what in the fuck am I gonna feed on for another 4 days, have fun lifting previously warm up weight as a 1 RM

well, if you were to try it, it looks like youd be eating another 4 breakfasts .
you wont loose all your gainz or your strength in five days of undereating. you might even come out of it better than before.

 

[Docd187123]

It finally hit me, why you chose the username that you did

 

[Docd187123]

Only 1 human study was done which I'd like to see reproduced before anything.

Also, this part totally turned me off the diet:

"The human fasting mimicking diet program is a plant-based diet program designed to attain fasting-like effects while providing micronutrient nourishment (vitamins, minerals, etc.) and minimize the burden of fasting", the researchers wrote about it. "It comprises proprietary vegetable-based soups, energy bars, energy drinks, chip snacks, chamomile flower tea, and a vegetable supplement formula table."

"The human fasting mimicking diet consists of a 5 day regimen: day 1 of the diet supplies 1090 kcal (10 percent protein, 56 percent fat, 34 percent carbohydrate), days 2–5 are identical in formulation and provide 725 kcal (9 percent protein, 44 percent fat, 47 percent carbohydrate)."

"This contrasts with the use of leucine-enriched amino acids or the use of a whey protein, leucine-enriched supplement, which has demonstrated beneficial acute effects on muscle protein synthesis, and particularly at higher concentrations of 40 percent."

The subjects ate foods produced by L-Nutra [l-nutra.com], a longevity foods manufacturing company set up by Longo."


^^^looks like they're trying to sell you on a brand

 

[ergomaniac]

Only 1 human study was done which I'd like to see reproduced before anything.

Also, this part totally turned me off the diet:

"The human fasting mimicking diet program is a plant-based diet program designed to attain fasting-like effects while providing micronutrient nourishment (vitamins, minerals, etc.) and minimize the burden of fasting", the researchers wrote about it. "It comprises proprietary vegetable-based soups, energy bars, energy drinks, chip snacks, chamomile flower tea, and a vegetable supplement formula table."

"The human fasting mimicking diet consists of a 5 day regimen: day 1 of the diet supplies 1090 kcal (10 percent protein, 56 percent fat, 34 percent carbohydrate), days 2–5 are identical in formulation and provide 725 kcal (9 percent protein, 44 percent fat, 47 percent carbohydrate)."

"This contrasts with the use of leucine-enriched amino acids or the use of a whey protein, leucine-enriched supplement, which has demonstrated beneficial acute effects on muscle protein synthesis, and particularly at higher concentrations of 40 percent."

The subjects ate foods produced by L-Nutra [l-nutra.com], a longevity foods manufacturing company set up by Longo."


^^^looks like they're trying to sell you on a brand

not only is there a brand, it seems there is a patent on the diet as well . and yeah, its a bit of a turn off. I guess you could equate it with something like the atkins diet and that line of supplement/foods. theres a couple others Ive seen as well.

im mostly interested in the science behind fasting without really subscribing to any particular one diet. Id like to explore it a bit more and I have some ideas of my own.

 

[Docd187123]

not only is there a brand, it seems there is a patent on the diet as well . and yeah, its a bit of a turn off. I guess you could equate it with something like the atkins diet and that line of supplement/foods. theres a couple others Ive seen as well.

im mostly interested in the science behind fasting without really subscribing to any particular one diet. Id like to explore it a bit more and I have some ideas of my own.

Are you looking for any specific benefits from fasting or just interested in it's overall benefits?

 

[ErikR]

Doc do you think there are health benefits from fasting?

 

[Docd187123]

Doc do you think there are health benefits from fasting?

The research is mixed depending on which health benefit you're talking about but overall, yes, fasting does have certain health benefits. The thing is though that most if not all these benefits can be had from exercise as well.

 

[ErikR]

The research is mixed depending on which health benefit you're talking about but overall, yes, fasting does have certain health benefits. The thing is though that most if not all these benefits can be had from exercise as well.

every time I read about it they say it reduces desease risk and slows down aging. I don't know how true that is. I think in general lower calories is better for over all health. But the type of training most of us do plus our goals that wouldn't work unless cutting.

 

[Docd187123]

every time I read about it they say it reduces desease risk and slows down aging. I don't know how true that is. I think in general lower calories is better for over all health. But the type of training most of us do plus our goals that wouldn't work unless cutting.

Yes but aging of the brain and CNS. IF and CR have been shown to increase BDNF which is a protein which helps with growth of neurons associated with learning and memory. But again, exercise does this as well and the degree of exercise induced BDNF elevations is dependent on the intensity according to alan aragon.
Aragon wrote a very nicely referenced article about fasting. It's worth a read.

 

[Demondosage]

I have honestly never known a big guy who believes in fasting. All the good bodybuilders that I know just eat clean and steady

 

[ergomaniac]

Are you looking for any specific benefits from fasting or just interested in it's overall benefits?

my interest in fasting is overall health and longevity. I would like to remain as healthy and youthful for as long as possible. while calorie restriction seems to increase maximum lifespan, it decreases quality of life. I first read about calorie restriction from a book called maximum life span, by roy walford. it was mentioned in something I had read by the late, great, Dr. Timothy Leary . that was about 20 years ago .

 

[ergomaniac]

I have honestly never known a big guy who believes in fasting. All the good bodybuilders that I know just eat clean and steady

johndoebodybuilding.com/how-fasting-during-ramadan-can-turn-you-into-an-anabolic-muscle-machine

 

[ergomaniac]

my interest in fasting is overall health and longevity. I would like to remain as healthy and youthful for as long as possible. while calorie restriction seems to increase maximum lifespan, it decreases quality of life. I first read about calorie restriction from a book called maximum life span, by roy walford. it was mentioned in something I had read by the late, great, Dr. Timothy Leary . that was about 20 years ago .

im also interested in any recomposition effects of fasting. fasting seems to burns fat (duh), but preserve muscle. its a stress on the body, but in a positive way. and there seems to an "anabolic overdrive" afterwards. @Demondosage might agree with this, or not.

 

[ErikR]

I have honestly never known a big guy who believes in fasting. All the good bodybuilders that I know just eat clean and steady

 

[ErikR]

I just don't understand how fasting would not break down protein and lead to muscle loss.

 

[ergomaniac]

I just don't understand how fasting would not break down protein and lead to muscle loss.

it may sound counterintuitive, but that's the way it is.
autophagy, look it up.