The Firearm thread...questions, advice, range reports welcome

[Demondosage]

I am new on here but wanted to thank you for great info on here. Seen a few of your reviews and it helps cut to the chase.

I started shooting about 12 years back. The invaluable investment is a 22lr in a pistol, or a rifle if you are getting into long guns. Nothing beats real world practice! I had bought 3 different pistols and practiced a fair amount. After buying a buckmark 22 and going through thousands of rounds, that the advice of buying a 22 cannot be overestimated. It almost becomes meditative after awhile.

Thanks again for your contributions on here.

I have a Taurus tx22 that is a really fun gun to shoot and holds 16 rounds in a clip. It’s a great gun for range time and affordability, but for self defense a .22 just isn’t going to have that nervous system shock that something 9mm and up will have. But if it’s all someone has it’s still better than not carrying anything

 

[Jdill75]

I have a Taurus tx22 that is a really fun gun to shoot and holds 16 rounds in a clip. It’s a great gun for range time and affordability, but for self defense a .22 just isn’t going to have that nervous system shock that something 9mm and up will have. But if it’s all someone has it’s still better than not carrying anything

I said nothing about using it for self defense, it is a tool to practice with. You are not going to get good at shooting by plopping down $50 for 50 rounds once a week.

 

[T&H]

I've asked a number of experienced shooters about using .22 for training to save money, Even though I carry a 9mm for self defense. All said you train with what you carry. And that the recoil and most everything is different between a 22 and 9.

I passed on buying a .22 because of this. You guys think training with a .22 will significantly help actually using a 9mm?

 

[Jdill75]

I've asked a number of experienced shooters about using .22 for training to save money, Even though I carry a 9mm for self defense. All said you train with what you carry. And that the recoil and most everything is different between a 22 and 9.

I passed on buying a .22 because of this. You guys think training with a .22 will significantly help actually using a 9mm?

It is correct to say "train with what you will carry" for new shooters who buy a gun for self defense. Last thing you want to do is blow a testicle off while trying to holster IWB. You can dry fire a striker fire all day and Sunday and make it second nature. It will not mean you're any good at shooting or have confidence when it goes..bang.

If you want to get good at shooting then buy a 22! The repetition of aiming/ breathing / a clean pull through the break / bang...will transfer to any gun.

 

[Demondosage]

It is correct to say "train with what you will carry" for new shooters who buy a gun for self defense. Last thing you want to do is blow a testicle off while trying to holster IWB. You can dry fire a striker fire all day and Sunday and make it second nature. It will not mean you're any good at shooting or have confidence when it goes..bang.

If you want to get good at shooting then buy a 22! The repetition of aiming/ breathing / a clean pull through the break / bang...will transfer to any gun.

That’s exactly why I bought that Taurus TX22, it’s similar in size to most other pistols in any other caliber and the action is exactly the same as any other semi automatic striker fired gun with modern day mag capacity

 

[Demondosage]

Just ordered this locking leather holster for my new Kimber 1911, I’m not a big kydex fan and I’m definitely not putting a nice 1911 in one, but there have the locking property of kydex but are coated in leather I guess?

LockLeather OWB Holster

A unique hybrid OWB leather holster providing the safety and security of Kydex with the comfort and durability of premium leather. In Stock >> Ships Fast!

urbancarryholsters.com

 

[Whopperflopper]

I've asked a number of experienced shooters about using .22 for training to save money, Even though I carry a 9mm for self defense. All said you train with what you carry. And that the recoil and most everything is different between a 22 and 9.

I passed on buying a .22 because of this. You guys think training with a .22 will significantly help actually using a 9mm?

Buy the .22 many times the only real difference between the .22 and your carry is recoil. You have to put rounds downrange, the .22 will do this. I used to get a 500 rnd brick for $20, now 5 carry rounds are $20.

will practicing with a .22 help with your 9? Absolutely. Will it make a difference at contact distance, less than 15'? Yes it will, dont you want to be that guy that can step over to the Rifle range, pull your carry, and ring that 9 inch gong?

 

[OffendHand]

I haven't seen anything like leather-covered Kydex. Fron what little I know of the process of making a Kydex holster, I'm not sure there's a good way to do it. For something I was carrying, I'd go with Kydex for the added safety margin; it's really not going to have a huge effect on the finish of the gun, or, not much more than leather (source: Best Kydex Holsters for IWB and OWB Carry).

 

[Jdill75]

Buy the .22 many times the only real difference between the .22 and your carry is recoil. You have to put rounds downrange, the .22 will do this. I used to get a 500 rnd brick for $20, now 5 carry rounds are $20.

will practicing with a .22 help with your 9? Absolutely. Will it make a difference at contact distance, less than 15'? Yes it will, dont you want to be that guy that can step over to the Rifle range, pull your carry, and ring that 9 inch gong?

Exactly!! Hickock45, me luv you long time

I've asked a number of experienced shooters about using .22 for training to save money, Even though I carry a 9mm for self defense. All said you train with what you carry. And that the recoil and most everything is different between a 22 and 9.

I passed on buying a .22 because of this. You guys think training with a .22 will significantly help actually using a 9mm?

Make sure you do some research before you buy a 22lr. Rimfires are dirtier then a Catholic whore on Easter Sunday. You want to make sure it can be broken down with ease, because you might be doing this multiple times on one trip to the range.

 

[OffendHand]

Exactly!! Hickock45, me luv you long time

Make sure you do some research before you buy a 22lr. Rimfires are dirtier then a Catholic whore on Easter Sunday. You want to make sure it can be broken down with ease, because you might be doing this multiple times on one trip to the range.

I've never had issues with my 10/22 getting too dirty to cycle well, but it is very true that some .22 pistols are *really* a pain in the ass to strip, and .22lr is definitely dirtier than center fire. Anecdotally, the Ruger pistols prior to the Mk IV were very difficult to reassemble. The Browning Buck Mark requires tools to break down for cleaning.

 

[Jdill75]

I've never had issues with my 10/22 getting too dirty to cycle well, but it is very true that some .22 pistols are *really* a pain in the ass to strip, and .22lr is definitely dirtier than center fire. Anecdotally, the Ruger pistols prior to the Mk IV were very difficult to reassemble. The Browning Buck Mark requires tools to break down for cleaning.

I went with a Buck Mark Hunter over the Ruger Mk for that exact reason. It breaks down enough (field strip) to clean out most the gunk.

The Taurus TX22 seems like a great gun for the price and breaks down easily.

10/22 is on my "buy list"

 

[OffendHand]

I literally just bought a Mk IV (target model) yesterday. I opted for the Ruger because there's more aftermarket parts available from both Volquartsen and Tandemkross.

Now I need to save up for a silencer. I really wish that there was a good can that worked well for bot .22lr and .223, but there doesn't seem to be.

 

[NomoSpam]

I literally just bought a Mk IV (target model) yesterday. I opted for the Ruger because there's more aftermarket parts available from both Volquartsen and Tandemkross.

Now I need to save up for a silencer. I really wish that there was a good can that worked well for bot .22lr and .223, but there doesn't seem to be.

I have been looking at rimfire suppressors for awhile, and one that I considered was the Griffin Optimus Micro. It's not huge, but seems bigger and sturdier than a lot of other rimfire cans. It can be used for 22LR, but is rated for 5.7 and .223.
I haven't looked into how well it suppresses anything else; it just seems like one of the top options for my use. It seems like multi caliber suppressors are a trade-off of some kind or another.
Rugged Oculus is looking like the top choice for me, though if CGS starts making the Siren again I will want that as my dedicated can for the 10/22TD I built.

 

[OffendHand]

Huh. I'll have to look into that one. It's a bit pricey, but if I can use it on both .22LR rifles and a 6.5CM rifle, then it actually costs less because I can buy one instead of 4 or 5.
I'm not worried about absolute minimum sound for anything other than .22; I'd like to make that quiet enough to not need any hearing protection at all.

 

[Demondosage]

I went with a Buck Mark Hunter over the Ruger Mk for that exact reason. It breaks down enough (field strip) to clean out most the gunk.

The Taurus TX22 seems like a great gun for the price and breaks down easily.

10/22 is on my "buy list"

The tx22 is a great gun for the money, although I do wish it had a little more stoutness to it, but it’s only 17oz so give and take I suppose. Then last thing I need is another gun but one that I like is the Walther .22, the one that looks like a spy gun, can’t think of the model off top of my head

 

[Jdill75]

The tx22 is a great gun for the money, although I do wish it had a little more stoutness to it, but it’s only 17oz so give and take I suppose. Then last thing I need is another gun but one that I like is the Walther .22, the one that looks like a spy gun, can’t think of the model off top of my head

PPKs 22
A clone would be a Bersa Thunder

I have shot the PPK in 380 and have only heard good things about the Bersa Thunder in 380. Not heard much about either in 22lr, or if they are prone to FTF

I have been looking at rimfire suppressors for awhile, and one that I considered was the Griffin Optimus Micro. It's not huge, but seems bigger and sturdier than a lot of other rimfire cans. It can be used for 22LR, but is rated for 5.7 and .223.
I haven't looked into how well it suppresses anything else; it just seems like one of the top options for my use. It seems like multi caliber suppressors are a trade-off of some kind or another.
Rugged Oculus is looking like the top choice for me, though if CGS starts making the Siren again I will want that as my dedicated can for the 10/22TD I built.

You need removable baffles on rim-fires to clean out the crud!

Never seen the Griffin Optimus Micro before, but 115db in a 22lr at the gum is really quiet.

I have had my eye on the 10/22 TD #21149. That thing is titties with coconut sprinkles.

 

[OffendHand]

You need removable baffles on rim-fires to clean out the crud!

Technically you don't. It just makes cleaning a lot less of a hassle. You can get rimfire silencers that aren't user-serviceable, and that means that you need to dump them in an untrasonic cleaner every 500 or so rounds to break the carbon and lead fouling off, and then rinse it out well. Usually it's cheaper to get one that that isn't serviceable.

 

[Jdill75]

I literally just bought a Mk IV (target model) yesterday. I opted for the Ruger because there's more aftermarket parts available from both Volquartsen and Tandemkross.

Now I need to save up for a silencer. I really wish that there was a good can that worked well for bot .22lr and .223, but there doesn't seem to be.

Hopefully you got the 10" barrel in stainless

Probably a great piece to walk through Walmart with when grocery shopping

Technically you don't. It just makes cleaning a lot less of a hassle. You can get rimfire silencers that aren't user-serviceable, and that means that you need to dump them in an untrasonic cleaner every 500 or so rounds to break the carbon and lead fouling off, and then rinse it out well. Usually it's cheaper to get one that that isn't serviceable.

Yeah, my reply wasn't thorough enough. Thanks for the clarification!

What I was trying to say is that you need to be able to take apart the can for rimfire/centerfire multi caliber silencers