The “NO CYCLE”

[Pineapples4Puss]

1st: I said this is an EXPERIMENT!
2nd: cycle does mean circle. The ethnic slur about jews kike comes from kikle or cycle which originates as or from the same root as circle. They refused to sign their name with an “X” at Ellis Island preferring a “O”. Circle instead of cross.

Experiment huh.

What the fuck does an ethnic slur towards Jews have anything to do with a definition of a word. If this is your thought process you are just a specimen of a human

 

[SUGARBEAR]

Experiment huh.

What the fuck does an ethnic slur towards Jews have anything to do with a definition of a word. If this is your thought process you are just a specimen of a human

Thank you!

 

[Hcuro]

The hcg and MK-677 are there to WAY up levels for the next few days. Also, this is for accumulated gains. You know: a little bit here, a little bit there. Could also go balls to the wall. Everyone is wired and built different.

 

[Biggerp73]

If you've never used steroids before, you could do something like take an oral one day per week and be able to get some gains without experiencing shutdown etc but in the long run I don't see much value in this. Here's why: your genetic limit won't change. If you want to be bigger than natural, you have to be on drugs. You won't be able to maintain any size above your natural limit unless you are always on drugs.

 

[Megadick3000]

sugarbear, have you read Bill Roberts ideas on 2 week cycles? If not i suggest you do some reading. Bill Roberts was a believer in the effectiveness of 2 week cycles, per his idea you need to run a total of at least 1g/week of gear, and that it was ideal to combine what he termed “class 1 and class 2” steroids together for synergistic effects. Of course he advocated these cycles be done using either no ester or short esters, example test prop plus tren ace, total of 1000mg/wk for 2 weeks.

He considered testosterone to be both class 1 and 2. So another example of using test with both classes of steroids per his definitions could be like this:

800mg/wk test prop
20mg/ed dianabol (140mg/wk)
20mg/ed oxandrolone (140mg/wk)
Weekly gear total: 1080mg

Run for 2 weeks max. Better would be testosterone base though.

 

[Megadick3000]

If you've never used steroids before, you could do something like take an oral one day per week and be able to get some gains without experiencing shutdown etc but in the long run I don't see much value in this. Here's why: your genetic limit won't change. If you want to be bigger than natural, you have to be on drugs. You won't be able to maintain any size above your natural limit unless you are always on drugs.

Which begs a question, do you guys think those “genetic limit” calculators are at all accurate? Ive used them and per their computations im already sitting above my genetic limit and i havent ran a cycle in years, but perhaps they assume your 0% BF in which case im probably hanging right around my limit factoring in my (minimal) bodyfat.

 

[SUGARBEAR]

sugarbear, have you read Bill Roberts ideas on 2 week cycles? If not i suggest you do some reading. Bill Roberts was a believer in the effectiveness of 2 week cycles, per his idea you need to run a total of at least 1g/week of gear, and that it was ideal to combine what he termed “class 1 and class 2” steroids together for synergistic effects. Of course he advocated these cycles be done using either no ester or short esters, example test prop plus tren ace, total of 1000mg/wk for 2 weeks.

He considered testosterone to be both class 1 and 2. So another example of using test with both classes of steroids per his definitions could be like this:

800mg/wk test prop
20mg/ed dianabol (140mg/wk)
20mg/ed oxandrolone (140mg/wk)
Weekly gear total: 1080mg

Run for 2 weeks max. Better would be testosterone base though.

Matter of fact, it’s his work that inspired me to delve deeper into the pharmacokinetics.

 

[grey]

Which begs a question, do you guys think those “genetic limit” calculators are at all accurate?

They are an average. Some folks will have limits above, others below.

 

[Biggerp73]

Which begs a question, do you guys think those “genetic limit” calculators are at all accurate? Ive used them and per their computations im already sitting above my genetic limit and i havent ran a cycle in years, but perhaps they assume your 0% BF in which case im probably hanging right around my limit factoring in my (minimal) bodyfat.

Never heard of those but as someone else said, that would vary person to person. Take for example Aaron Donald or DK Metcalf. Their genetic limit is vastly different than some scrawny french fry eating video game player.

 

[SUGARBEAR]

Never heard of those but as someone else said, that would vary person to person. Take for example Aaron Donald or DK Metcalf. Their genetic limit is vastly different than some scrawny french fry eating video game player.

Bags of candy for the winnnn!!!!!!

 

[RunTrenFcukTens]

Bags of candy for the winnnn!!!!!!

Lol DK is a clown for saying that.