The Skinny on DNP

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THE SKINNY ON DNP

IUPAC name: 2,4-Dinitrophenol
Molecular formula: C6H4N2O5.
Molar Mass: 184.106
Density: 1.683 g/cm³
Melting Point:108 °C, 381 K, 226 °F
Boiling Point: 113 °C, 386 K, 235 °F
Acidity: 4.114


What is DNP?

For purposes of this article we will stick to the physiological application of DNP. If I had to describe DNP in one word…poison. DNP prevents normal chemical reactions at the cellular level. It impedes the normal function of cellular metabolism.

Where did DNP Come from?

The US Army categorizes DNP as a potential insensitive munitions compound because it was used to ignite TNT in the early 1900’s. DNP was found to have other properties that made it useful for making dyes, wood preservatives, photographic developer, and pesticides. DNP is highly toxic, and people working with or around the substance can develop side effects like weight loss, high fever, and death. The weight loss aspect prompted studies regarding the effects of DNP on metabolism.

How does DNP work?

DNP makes changes in our metabolism. Metabolism is the set of chemical reactions in our bodies that keep us alive. Our bodies metabolize nutrients to provide us with energy. Oxidation involves the transfer of electrons between atoms (or molecules) and releases energy. The formal name for this process is oxidative phosphorylation. When our body breaks down nutrients and absorbs then into our cells, one of the functions of the cell’s mitochondria is to produce chemical energy called ATP. In order to create ATP, mitochondria capture and use the energy released from oxidative phosphorylation.

DNP is known as a mitochondrial uncoupler of oxidative phosphorylation. In other words, DNP encapsulates and moves protons (ions) across cell membranes, preventing mitochondria from “processing” nutrient molecules, capturing energy via the exchange of electrons, and converting that energy to ATP. The energy released from DNP action is converted into heat energy. Without ATP to provide energy, our bodies look to alternative sources like fat reserves. The overall result is an increase in the metabolic rate by a factor of 30% to 50%.

You might wonder why the body does not use muscle as well as fat as an energy source (catabolism). One of the reasons lies with HSPs (Heat Shock Proteins). HSPs are known to maintain the shape and function of cellular proteins and promote muscle growth. HSPs go to work under circumstances where the body temperature increases, ATP is scarce, and free radicals are present. DNP does all of these things. Although some catabolism is likely to occur with DNP present, it follows that exercise combined with the release of HSPs result in the protection of muscle cells and promotion of protein synthesis.

How is DNP Dangerous?

  1. DNP can kill you. We discussed how DNP converts the energy from food into heat energy, which increases body temperature. Unfortunately there is no limit to how high your body temperature can get while on DNP, so it can literally “cook” you.
  2. DNP can cause fever, stroke, nephritis, tachycardia, respiration problems, coma, and peripheral neuritis.
  3. DNP is a cumulative poison, meaning that it builds up in your system every day that you take it. It takes 3 weeks to evacuate your system and by the time you have a problem, it can be too late.
  4. DNP causes cataracts in 1 out of every 1,000 people.
  5. 10% of users develop and allergic reaction that includes hives, blisters, and rashes.
  6. Without ATP cells start to die.
  7. Free radicals cause cancer.
  8. The EPA, NTP, ASTDR, and WHO all categorize DNP as a category 1 toxic chemical.
  9. We do not really know how much cellular damage DNP causes.

What are the benefits of DNP?

  1. Fat loss
  2. Anabolic rebound – After a DNP cycle the body is in a highly anabolic state.
  3. T3 reduction – If you happen to be running DNP right after an AAS
  4. cycle, the DNP can reduce the excessive T3 production that causes much of the
  5. catabolic type muscle loss post cycle.

Note: DNP can lower T3 to below optimal levels, so in some cases it may be necessary to start taking small doses of T3.

How should I take DNP?

I have a conservative stance on when to use DNP, how much to use, and how long to use it.

Some people argue that DNP should be used on cycle so as to protect muscle. My contention is that DNP makes you feel like crap, and it can detract from lifting at your best while on cycle. If I am on cycle I want to be lifting hard and I do not want to worry about energy levels or heat stroke.

Other people argue that DNP should be used well after PCT. My only concern would be low energy levels and possible T3 issues. These concerns are manageable via things like ECA stacks and T3 supplementation.

My most preferred time to run DNP is when I start PCT. I still have energy and strength from my cycle and I avoid the whole catabolic post cycle phase. In addition, I have a nice little anabolic rebound at the end of my DNP run and I get to see the results from all my hard work on gear.

DNP is cumulative and it takes three weeks to clear your system. Do not bump up your dose because you think you can handle more. Do not use drugs or drink alcohol.

Please note that you do not need to “feel” DNP for it to be working. People have different tolerance levels, even for poisons. You can only get so much DNP into your system (before you die), so you can choose to take a higher dose short cycle or lower dose long cycle. Regardless, by the end of the cycle you will feel the heat and toxicity.

Low Dose Long Cycle

Start with a dose of 200mg per day [100 mg every morning / 100 mg
every evening]. Run it for two or three weeks.

Day 1 – 14: 200 mg ED
Day 15 – 21: 200 mg ED*

*Experienced users may choose to run the cycle for an additional week.

Total DNP consumption for long cycle: (2,800 to 4,200 mg)

High Dose Short Cycle

Start with a dose of 200 mg per day [100 mg every morning / 100 mg
every evening]. Within 2 to 4 days you should know if you have an allergy.

Day 1 – 4: 200 mg ED
Day 5 – 9: 400 mg ED
Day 10 – 11: 400 mg ED*

*Experienced users may choose to go above the max recommended daily dose of 400 mg
and run the cycle for an additional couple of days.

Total DNP consumption for short cycle: (2,800 to 4,000 mg)

What are common sides to DNP?

  • Discomfort and sweating
  • Insomnia
  • Yellow bodily fluids
  • Muscle Soreness
  • Allergic Reactions
  • Carbohydrate Cravings
  • Vomiting (a good sign that you should stop)

What food and supplements should I take while on a DNP cycle?

You may lose your senses of taste and smell so this is a good time to teach yourself how to eat without using condiments and all the other crap you dont need.

  • Water - One or two gallons a day. Dehydration is the leading cause of DNP problems, including death.
  • Fruit - Glycogen will be depleated. Fructose is good.
  • Protein - Diet should be heavy on protein.
  • Fiber - DNP can be rough so you may want to regulate (pun intended).
  • Complex Carbs - Carbs will make you hot. You should try to time your carb intake so that you are not eating carbs before workouts or before sleep.
  • Multi vitamin - You are likely to be on a rescticted diet and you will need to supplement.
  • Antioxidants - To stop the free radicals
  • Electolytes - V8 is good.
  • Melatonin - If necessary, to help you sleep.
  • ECA stack - If necessary, to boost your energy levels.
 
I would suggest 50 mcg ED ( I split that into two doses)

Remember that T3 can cause you to lose muscle mass due to catabolism so if you're not using any anabolic with your DNP I'd suggest lowering that dose to 25mcg and even then, I'd still consider a low dose/ lower suppressive AAS or even hgh or a peptide to stave off becoming catabolic.

On the other hand...if DNP is being used in conjunction with Trenbolone I'd pyramid the T3 dosage up to around 75mcg/e.d. because there is a theory some people subscribe to that Tren can lower T3 levels resulting in an increase in prolactin.

I figure "better safe than titties" and always dose T3 at 25mcg/e.d. while on Tren...so in theory, if DNP and Tren are used at the same time a higher dose of T3 wouldn't be the worst thing in the world....even 75mcg/e.d. isn't overkill on a Cytomel dosage.

billy...you are the DNP guru...I don't use the stuff, what do you think about this?
 
Remember that T3 can cause you to lose muscle mass due to catabolism so if you're not using any anabolic with your DNP I'd suggest lowering that dose to 25mcg and even then, I'd still consider a low dose/ lower suppressive AAS or even hgh or a peptide to stave off becoming catabolic.

On the other hand...if DNP is being used in conjunction with Trenbolone I'd pyramid the T3 dosage up to around 75mcg/e.d. because there is a theory some people subscribe to that Tren can lower T3 levels resulting in an increase in prolactin.

I figure "better safe than titties" and always dose T3 at 25mcg/e.d. while on Tren...so in theory, if DNP and Tren are used at the same time a higher dose of T3 wouldn't be the worst thing in the world....even 75mcg/e.d. isn't overkill on a Cytomel dosage.

billy...you are the DNP guru...I don't use the stuff, what do you think about this?

Considering an off cycle situation I would say that i say 25 to 50 mcg ED would suffice depending on how your react to T3. It does not seem to have such a great effect on me, but you are right robb that your body only needs like 25 mcg a day.

@JFree92 - there is argument for and against the use of T3 while on DNP. some believe that the whole T3 reduction thing to be a myth. I tried to write my article off of legit sources and I seem to have a conservative approach to most things. if you only run your T3 low dose cycle for two weeks then you are prob cool and dont need to add T3....if you go longer start with 25 ED on day 8 and run that through till last day... then taper off to nothing for a week. if you are like me wihere you dont see much in the way of results from T3 especially not catabolic then sure 50 is fine but i feel like it kinda splitting hairs.
 
Considering an off cycle situation I would say that i say 25 to 50 mcg ED would suffice depending on how your react to T3. It does not seem to have such a great effect on me, but you are right robb that your body only needs like 25 mcg a day.

@JFree92 - there is argument for and against the use of T3 while on DNP. some believe that the whole T3 reduction thing to be a myth. I tried to write my article off of legit sources and I seem to have a conservative approach to most things. if you only run your T3 low dose cycle for two weeks then you are prob cool and dont need to add T3....if you go longer start with 25 ED on day 8 and run that through till last day... then taper off to nothing for a week. if you are like me wihere you dont see much in the way of results from T3 especially not catabolic then sure 50 is fine but i feel like it kinda splitting hairs.

Thanks bro...I'm impressed with your DNP research...now go look at the new skin I put on KOG! [:o)] It's tight.

Anyway....bro, great post...
 
Thanks. I'm 2 days into my cycle. Taken 200mg both days. I've actually gained about 1kg.... wut?

lol

i'm 6 days in and right now and i have my shirt stuck to me from sweat. not sure i felt it very much day 1 or day 2

i have lost like 4 lbs so far, but I think I may have gained some back over the last 2 days because I totally lost control and ate like a crazy man...ice cream and candy...crazy carb cravings

DNP seems like a starvation diet!
 
I don't understand why I've gained weight. I've eaten 2500 both days, and I weigh like 190lbs, my maintenance is like 2800.

Maybe my stuff is fake but i bought it from a legit source.

I don't feel uncomfortable either, not hot or anything on 200, just kinda tired.

Have to wait till day 4 though till up to 400
 
I don't understand why I've gained weight. I've eaten 2500 both days, and I weigh like 190lbs, my maintenance is like 2800.

Maybe my stuff is fake but i bought it from a legit source.

I don't feel uncomfortable either, not hot or anything on 200, just kinda tired.

Have to wait till day 4 though till up to 400

DNP will make you take on a bit of water too bro, never fear it will come right off after your DNP cycle is over.

at your weight...it is not uncommon to fluxuate a few pounds. tell me how it is on day 4
 
Ok I'll report back on day 4. It's day 3 just now. To be honest, I feel pretty much normal...
Do you think the weight gain could be due to the fact I carb depleted before starting DNP, then now that I eat 230g of carbs per day, its having that effect?
 
Ok I'll report back on day 4. It's day 3 just now. To be honest, I feel pretty much normal...
Do you think the weight gain could be due to the fact I carb depleted before starting DNP, then now that I eat 230g of carbs per day, its having that effect?

The only reason you are gaining weight is water retention like billy said. What else could it possibly be on a 2500 cal per day diet?
 
I have a thyroid problem and had to take t3 and for some reason I only lost 10 pounds. I wished I understood how it works better. First time took it with tren and lost 25 pounds. Going to try that next time to see if I can have the same effect
 
I have a thyroid problem and had to take t3 and for some reason I only lost 10 pounds. I wished I understood how it works better. First time took it with tren and lost 25 pounds. Going to try that next time to see if I can have the same effect

I'm going to go to the doctor to see about having a thyroid problem, I put on weight far too easily and I figure this may be the reason.
 
Just as an update, I'm now taking 200g every 12 hours, so basically 400g a day. Still feeling nothing apart from very mild sweating last night..

Is it powder or crystal DNP?
Some people have higher tolerances than others. Dont go ape shit and start upping your dose every few days just because you dont feel much in the beginning.
 
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