the true downside to TRT

[mxim]

This is something that is never really mentioned but worth mentioning,as i think some experience this when using TRT. When we regain our confidence and libido,that is half the battle. the other half is having a wife/spouse that is receptive to these feelings. although TRT is not just about libido,it is a significant part and what do we do when our better half rejects our sexual advances? for most this is more than likely not a problem but for some its a very big issue. remember,a bad sex life is usually indicative of a bad marriage .
fromtalking or observince friends and aquaintances,i can always tell who has a good sex life and who does'nt.

 

[mranak]

I disagree that getting rejected, sexually, from the better half is not common. It is. In fact, I hereby assert that it is an issue that the vast majority of married men deal with.

There are so many factors involved in this sort of thing, that I cannot give you any direct advice. But one thing that is important to recognize is that we men often blame women for rejecting us when in fact it is out actions that are to blame. Women are different than us. It is the man's resonsibility, for example, to make the women herself feel sexy so that she will want to have sex. Unfortunately, this can take months of work on the part of the man, or even years.

In summary, don't be too hard on yourself or your wife.

btw: Have you bought her flowers, lately?

 

[Michael T]

Sex begins in the kitchen

I'll say that my wife is very understanding regarding my no libido. She has
usually been the one to initiate an intimate evening. Well after 4 kids and 17
years of marriage i'll say that sex is an important part of a marriage. But it is
not the most important part. Women do love flowers and kind compliments and
help in the kitchen. When was the last time that you came home from work
with some flowers and a nice card then proceeded to help her in kitchen with
things? That is where sex can begin. I know that my wifes sex drive has not
changed much and she has been very understanding of my problem. Communication is very important regarding this. I know that if she needs things taken care of for her and I feel like a sleeping tom cat, I'll give her a hand with things if you catch my drift. It is not always about my needs, but rather hers. Women do always appreciate flowers and candy !

Michael T,

 

[SWALE]

Some of you guys really DO get it.

It is amazing the effect even just an endearing phone call/message during the day can have on a women (and it is absolutely free). They have a word for it: foreplay.

 

[mxim]

the real point of the thread was to make us realize why the hell we are using TRT. We start TRT to regain out libido and then ask all sorts of questions as to why its not as high as it was when we started trt ect... however,with all the focus on the libido,do we really need one if our spouses only want it once a month? i for one,am doing TRT to feel better and to improve my quality of life. i also lookm much better when i am using Testosterone supplementation and overall,i am a much more productive/possitive person. as for helping out in the kitchen,i clean the kitchen,do alot of the laundry and pay all the bills.

 

[SWALE]

Heck, you wanna come live with me?

 

[pmgamer18]

I can see his point I could not have sex for over 10 yrs. the dam thing would not work shit the pill did not help. But it had no effect on my marriage. My wife and I have always done everything together from feeding the baby at night to cleaning the house. We both cook dinner like I said we do everything together. When I could not get it up I took care of my wife and most women would rather cuddle then have sex. Yet now we are up in age and last yr. I found that getting my E2 down was the problem with my sex life. Now I could do it everyday and my wife has problems with her health and sex is the last thing on her mind. She is having trouble with her Thyroid she just cant get balanced. Six months a go I finly got her to see my Dr. and drop the Endo she was seeing. My Dr. put her on Armour and now is has hives and the test came back that she does is to high. You know somedays you just can't win. The poor women still works and can't sleep what are you to do. All I can't say is just love them.
Phil

 

[SWALE]

A while back I had a more senior couple in my office. The husband was telling me that he did not feel any libido in several years, and that he REALLY missed it. I told him we would see what we could do about that. The wife jumped in with "NO! It took me years to get him like that, and I want him to stay that way!"

Your wife may have a sensitivity to porcine products, which is what Armolur is (dessicated pig thyroid gland). There are commercial T3/T4 blends on the market, which I would recommend in her case.

It is important while interpreting lab results to remember the injested drug is in the bloodstream when the labs are taken, and its levels change accoridng to its particular PK's. You must therefore titrate dosing with thyroid meds accoridng to patient subjective report, NOT just the labwork. IOW, treat the patient, not the lab printout.

PM--Sounds as if you two are best friends as well. This friendship, on top of love, is one of the true blessings in life.

 

[mfiver]

Phil: Before they prescribed my wife's Thyroid medication, they asked her if she had an alergy to sulfur (she does). With that information, they changed her prescription from Armour to a different T3/T4 combo without sulfur. Last time she had a sulfur-based drug, she got hives, too.

On topic, my wife and I have been married 20 years and have 6 kids. We have a very strong relationship, but the frequency of sex had declined from daily to weekly over those years. And even at that rate, I was the one to initiate.

I had my T levels checked and they came back very low. (163, total). Libido and ED, somehow, had not been an issue for and my interest in checking it was more intuitive and academic. Symptoms were lack of intensity/aggressiveness and, once I started counting, morning erections only once a week or so. I found a helpful HRT doc and started on a compounded cream and the numbers are climbing slowly and symptoms improving.

But the interesting thing is that my wife began to read the same books I did and suspected her own T levels were low.... and they were half the level they were when we were first married. She's now on a low dose T gel and I'm noticing her libido is improving.

Doing this together is the best way. I can imagine a marriage could be quite stressed if one spouse's libido changes dramatically up or down while the other stays the same.

 

[pmgamer18]

A while back I had a more senior couple in my office. The husband was telling me that he did not feel any libido in several years, and that he REALLY missed it. I told him we would see what we could do about that. The wife jumped in with "NO! It took me years to get him like that, and I want him to stay that way!"

Your wife may have a sensitivity to porcine products, which is what Armolur is (dessicated pig thyroid gland). There are commercial T3/T4 blends on the market, which I would recommend in her case.

It is important while interpreting lab results to remember the injested drug is in the bloodstream when the labs are taken, and its levels change accoridng to its particular PK's. You must therefore titrate dosing with thyroid meds accoridng to patient subjective report, NOT just the labwork. IOW, treat the patient, not the lab printout.

PM--Sounds as if you two are best friends as well. This friendship, on top of love, is one of the true blessings in life.

Thanks SWALE my Dr. told her to cut back on the Armolur from 120 mgs. to 60 mgs. it has been just under 2 weeks now and the rash is gone and she feel great. So now we think the higer dose made her hipper and she broke out from her nerves. So the Dr. feels she needs only 90 mgs. She has not been on it long and the Dr. just needs to get the right does. But he did say there were other T3/T4 meds he could try if she did not feel better. Now she goes in for a blood test in a week so we will know.
And yes she is my best friend she is my everything.
Phil

 

[pmgamer18]

Phil: Before they prescribed my wife's Thyroid medication, they asked her if she had an alergy to sulfur (she does). With that information, they changed her prescription from Armour to a different T3/T4 combo without sulfur. Last time she had a sulfur-based drug, she got hives, too.

On topic, my wife and I have been married 20 years and have 6 kids. We have a very strong relationship, but the frequency of sex had declined from daily to weekly over those years. And even at that rate, I was the one to initiate.

I had my T levels checked and they came back very low. (163, total). Libido and ED, somehow, had not been an issue for and my interest in checking it was more intuitive and academic. Symptoms were lack of intensity/aggressiveness and, once I started counting, morning erections only once a week or so. I found a helpful HRT doc and started on a compounded cream and the numbers are climbing slowly and symptoms improving.

But the interesting thing is that my wife began to read the same books I did and suspected her own T levels were low.... and they were half the level they were when we were first married. She's now on a low dose T gel and I'm noticing her libido is improving.

Doing this together is the best way. I can imagine a marriage could be quite stressed if one spouse's libido changes dramatically up or down while the other stays the same.

She had her T checked the Dr. checks all her hormons every 6 weeks. She is doing better on the low dose. We had a lot of good sex on vac.
Phil