The unpredictability of UGL labs and sources - some thoughts

[whwlives]

One minute this UGL is "g2g", the next they are the devil.

This powder source is "g2g" and next it's not.

(OK, I have said "g2g" twice and never again)

Let me preface all of this by saying - I was just a guy - with a chemical education and my friends were getting UGL shit via mail. Between me getting tired of them bitching about it - and them asking me - and me wanting my friends to be healthy... I've embarked on producing what THEY need for LOCAL use.

Want to call it/me a "UGL" ok.

That said. what's the real state of UGL's and why.

This is only my perspective, but my past gives me a good insight.

First, we of course know that this is all illegal, and that right there is one of the issues as the customers really have no recourse and in most cases really don't know who they are dealing with.

We start at the "powder" - does your UGL test the powder?

Do they first do a quick melting point test and then submit the batch of powder for lab testing?

If the powder isn't perfect, do they have procedures to either ameliorate the contamination or return the powder?

A vet here, whom I respect and thank very much, gave me a lead on a powder source that was "vetted" (so much better than "g2g") and I ordered some Test Enanthate powder.

It melted at the right point, but it didn't SOLIDIFY - becoming a viscous clear fluid.

I sent a sample out for lab testing and am still waiting for those results, but while waiting I wanted to know "WHAT" and "WHY".

I tried the simplest test. Wash the powder in distilled water and let it dry.

Voila, powder that melts at the right temperature AND solidifies to an white/off-white waxy solid.

The impurity was water soluble, and my bet is on heptanoic acid or some derivative thereof which formed a eutectic with the Test Enanthate.

Depending on the first analysis, I will either clean the powder and send a second sample for analysis - or return the powder. If the source won't do the right thing I will OUT them on every board known to man kind.

(In other words - I'll put on THE HAT)

This problem seems to be twofold:

1) Materials

2) Procedures

The self-imposed radical secrecy surrounding powder sources doesn't help #1. If people and UGLs had multiple sources - the bad ones would fade away in favor of the better vetted sources.

Onto the questions you should ask of yourself and your choice of lab.

Is your choice of UGL doing an continuous check on it's source materials?

Do they compensate the dosing based on analysis?

Are the rest of their materials USP/NF or AR grade?

(Sorry - supermarket oil doesn't cut it)

Do they even know why they are using BA and BB?

Do they know of the other options such as chlorobutanol?

Are they using aseptic procedure and sterilizing everything with heat and time in either dry ovens or autoclaves? Not "chemical" sterilization or "baking fluids", but actual good old

Do they use 0.2 ?m membrane filters to purify the vial-ready mixed oils?

If they use a pipette to fill (suboptimal as it's nearly impossible to keep the makeup air sterile) is it kept sterile?

If they use a pump like a Dispensette, is it sterilized before use and is the makeup air also sterilized? (the pressure-equalization air can be filtered using one of those small whatman filters and an adapter)

Are the vials stoppered IMMEDIATELY after filling? In a sterile manner?

Are the crimps solid and the vials/stoppers/crimp rings of adequate quality

These are the questions that need to be asked.

It would be optimal if the lab submitted random samples of finished product for biological contamination testing as well. Not sure if that's even possible on a large scale, though.

Can your UGL lie about these things? Sure.

But enough people asking enough questions,,, and...

The truth shall set you free!

Walt

PS: If you're going to think to yourself how much superior your powder source is to mine - I've included my PGP key - you know what to do [)]

I'm happy to keep sources in confidence as well as order and pay to test source materials to see what's up.




My PGP key:

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[joe0035]

One minute this UGL is "g2g", the next they are the devil.

This powder source is "g2g" and next it's not.

(OK, I have said "g2g" twice and never again)

Let me preface all of this by saying - I was just a guy - with a chemical education and my friends were getting UGL shit via mail. Between me getting tired of them bitching about it - and them asking me - and me wanting my friends to be healthy... I've embarked on producing what THEY need for LOCAL use.

Want to call it/me a "UGL" ok.

That said. what's the real state of UGL's and why.

This is only my perspective, but my past gives me a good insight.

First, we of course know that this is all illegal, and that right there is one of the issues as the customers really have no recourse and in most cases really don't know who they are dealing with.

We start at the "powder" - does your UGL test the powder?

Do they first do a quick melting point test and then submit the batch of powder for lab testing?

If the powder isn't perfect, do they have procedures to either ameliorate the contamination or return the powder?

A vet here, whom I respect and thank very much, gave me a lead on a powder source that was "vetted" (so much better than "g2g") and I ordered some Test Enanthate powder.

It melted at the right point, but it didn't SOLIDIFY - becoming a viscous clear fluid.

I sent a sample out for lab testing and am still waiting for those results, but while waiting I wanted to know "WHAT" and "WHY".

I tried the simplest test. Wash the powder in distilled water and let it dry.

Voila, powder that melts at the right temperature AND solidifies to an white/off-white waxy solid.

The impurity was water soluble, and my bet is on heptanoic acid or some derivative thereof which formed a eutectic with the Test Enanthate.

Depending on the first analysis, I will either clean the powder and send a second sample for analysis - or return the powder. If the source won't do the right thing I will OUT them on every board known to man kind.

(In other words - I'll put on THE HAT)

This problem seems to be twofold:

1) Materials

2) Procedures

The self-imposed radical secrecy surrounding powder sources doesn't help #1. If people and UGLs had multiple sources - the bad ones would fade away in favor of the better vetted sources.

Onto the questions you should ask of yourself and your choice of lab.

Is your choice of UGL doing an continuous check on it's source materials?

Do they compensate the dosing based on analysis?

Are the rest of their materials USP/NF or AR grade?

(Sorry - supermarket oil doesn't cut it)

Do they even know why they are using BA and BB?

Do they know of the other options such as chlorobutanol?

Are they using aseptic procedure and sterilizing everything with heat and time in either dry ovens or autoclaves? Not "chemical" sterilization or "baking fluids", but actual good old

Do they use 0.2 ?m membrane filters to purify the vial-ready mixed oils?

If they use a pipette to fill (suboptimal as it's nearly impossible to keep the makeup air sterile) is it kept sterile?

If they use a pump like a Dispensette, is it sterilized before use and is the makeup air also sterilized? (the pressure-equalization air can be filtered using one of those small whatman filters and an adapter)

Are the vials stoppered IMMEDIATELY after filling? In a sterile manner?

Are the crimps solid and the vials/stoppers/crimp rings of adequate quality

These are the questions that need to be asked.

It would be optimal if the lab submitted random samples of finished product for biological contamination testing as well. Not sure if that's even possible on a large scale, though.

Can your UGL lie about these things? Sure.

But enough people asking enough questions,,, and...

The truth shall set you free!

Walt

PS: If you're going to think to yourself how much superior your powder source is to mine - I've included my PGP key - you know what to do [)]

I'm happy to keep sources in confidence as well as order and pay to test source materials to see what's up.




My PGP key:

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Wow nice! I want to be this guys friend!!!! Thanks that was good stuff!

 

[mands]

whwlives,

So it looks like you found a good powder source now. I know you were looking for one last year. My question is are you going to be moving your small operation into a larger one here on MESO? I will save your public key.

Let me know what your plans are and thanks for sharing.

mands

 

[stomps]

whwlives,

So it looks like you found a good powder source now. I know you were looking for one last year. My question is are you going to be moving your small operation into a larger one here on MESO? I will save your public key.

Let me know what your plans are and thanks for sharing.

mands

If this is true toy should read this thread
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134350313

 

[Big_paul]

do the research and check out home brew here on meso, then you know how good it really is and well save a lot of money, more risk though if its shipped from out side the USA. ive done it many times though with no problems. not to say you will not get busted the first time though.
in general they will be gtg if you see others posting positive stuff about a supply. raw hormones are cheap and i see no reason someone would not want you to be happy with their gear because they make a shit load of money making people happy. its just good biz.
some times they get screwed and pass it along with out knowing it. alot of factors to consider.

 

[whwlives]

My chances of becoming a source on this (or any - no disrespect intended) board are rather low. I got sucked into this locally. Until the test results come in, I cannot tell you if this source if "good" or not. It's assuredly not "great".

whwlives,

So it looks like you found a good powder source now. I know you were looking for one last year. My question is are you going to be moving your small operation into a larger one here on MESO? I will save your public key.

Let me know what your plans are and thanks for sharing.

mands

 

[whwlives]

Stomps,

If I were to do anything - I always ask first. Heck, I asked where this post thread should be put to avoid discord. Again though, my chances of becoming anything more that "a guy who you can ask and who will tell you the truth" on this board is very very low. The mechanics of internet "sales" does not amuse me.

If this is true toy should read this thread
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134350313

 

[ANALOG]

We need more "real" brother like you... Keep it up.. I sucked that right up...Thanks bro................AnalogMan

 

[shamrockbear1]

There are so many ugls now its ridiculous. Home brewing is not that hard and to start your own ugl then problem is getting caught willing to do the crime get ready to do the time? There starting to charge people as a felony I've seen anything from probabtion to 6 years. International ugls have nothing to worry about most of their countries have bigger issues than gear selling. If you go to tradekey you can find a ton of powder sources from china all legit. Its easy to start a ugl but getting busted is what I would worry about who wants to look over there shoulder ever 5 minutes.

 

[Juice n Goose]

Stomps,

If I were to do anything - I always ask first. Heck, I asked where this post thread should be put to avoid discord. Again though, my chances of becoming anything more that "a guy who you can ask and who will tell you the truth" on this board is very very low. The mechanics of internet "sales" does not amuse me.

May I ask.what specifically do you find about"the mechanics of internet sales" so disquieting?
Just curious!
Goose

 

[Juice n Goose]

Twice I dabbled in raws.
Once with an Iranian(whose country we have a trade embargo) came back 94%
The second was czech. 89%
but the price was sooo low it could be compensated for in the processing to make spot-on gear.
I just wanted to "put up"some stuff for me and an occasional friend.
We lived off of it for two years.
The Chinese minimums were not minimal to me and I just dont like dealing with Chinese.
Just something to think of..the Iranians had pretty sweet raws and cheaper by half than the Chinese!
dont wanna get caught dealing with a sanctioned country!!!!!!!! BAD JU-JU!!!!
Goose

 

[Juice n Goose]

One minute this UGL is "g2g", the next they are the devil.

This powder source is "g2g" and next it's not.

(OK, I have said "g2g" twice and never again)

Let me preface all of this by saying - I was just a guy - with a chemical education and my friends were getting UGL shit via mail. Between me getting tired of them bitching about it - and them asking me - and me wanting my friends to be healthy... I've embarked on producing what THEY need for LOCAL use.

Want to call it/me a "UGL" ok.

That said. what's the real state of UGL's and why.

This is only my perspective, but my past gives me a good insight.

First, we of course know that this is all illegal, and that right there is one of the issues as the customers really have no recourse and in most cases really don't know who they are dealing with.

We start at the "powder" - does your UGL test the powder?

Do they first do a quick melting point test and then submit the batch of powder for lab testing?

If the powder isn't perfect, do they have procedures to either ameliorate the contamination or return the powder?

A vet here, whom I respect and thank very much, gave me a lead on a powder source that was "vetted" (so much better than "g2g") and I ordered some Test Enanthate powder.

It melted at the right point, but it didn't SOLIDIFY - becoming a viscous clear fluid.

I sent a sample out for lab testing and am still waiting for those results, but while waiting I wanted to know "WHAT" and "WHY".

I tried the simplest test. Wash the powder in distilled water and let it dry.

Voila, powder that melts at the right temperature AND solidifies to an white/off-white waxy solid.

The impurity was water soluble, and my bet is on heptanoic acid or some derivative thereof which formed a eutectic with the Test Enanthate.

Depending on the first analysis, I will either clean the powder and send a second sample for analysis - or return the powder. If the source won't do the right thing I will OUT them on every board known to man kind.

(In other words - I'll put on THE HAT)

This problem seems to be twofold:

1) Materials

2) Procedures

The self-imposed radical secrecy surrounding powder sources doesn't help #1. If people and UGLs had multiple sources - the bad ones would fade away in favor of the better vetted sources.

Onto the questions you should ask of yourself and your choice of lab.

Is your choice of UGL doing an continuous check on it's source materials?

Do they compensate the dosing based on analysis?

Are the rest of their materials USP/NF or AR grade?

(Sorry - supermarket oil doesn't cut it)

Do they even know why they are using BA and BB?

Do they know of the other options such as chlorobutanol?

Are they using aseptic procedure and sterilizing everything with heat and time in either dry ovens or autoclaves? Not "chemical" sterilization or "baking fluids", but actual good old

Do they use 0.2 ?m membrane filters to purify the vial-ready mixed oils?

If they use a pipette to fill (suboptimal as it's nearly impossible to keep the makeup air sterile) is it kept sterile?

If they use a pump like a Dispensette, is it sterilized before use and is the makeup air also sterilized? (the pressure-equalization air can be filtered using one of those small whatman filters and an adapter)

Are the vials stoppered IMMEDIATELY after filling? In a sterile manner?

Are the crimps solid and the vials/stoppers/crimp rings of adequate quality

These are the questions that need to be asked.

It would be optimal if the lab submitted random samples of finished product for biological contamination testing as well. Not sure if that's even possible on a large scale, though.

Can your UGL lie about these things? Sure.

But enough people asking enough questions,,, and...

The truth shall set you free!

Walt

PS: If you're going to think to yourself how much superior your powder source is to mine - I've included my PGP key - you know what to do [)]

I'm happy to keep sources in confidence as well as order and pay to test source materials to see what's up.




My PGP key:

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forgive me for jumping in your sandbox(pretty good privacy,BTW havent seen a low level PGP in awhile,very refreshing..data security is my bag in school) but I seem to recall heptanoic acid as being only slightly soluble in water. So it was only slightly pervaded with that compound,not the carboxylic form? I bet you concluded this because it is often found in raws using an enanthate ester,but isnt it also used to esterify many steroids.So having washed it out,if you were to make an esterified steroid it would be necessary to put some back in. so the eutectic composition is a bad thing?you dont want it all to solidify at the same temp? Am I even close?
Again only curious. Thanks
Goose

 

[Juice n Goose]

One minute this UGL is "g2g", the next they are the devil.

This powder source is "g2g" and next it's not.

(OK, I have said "g2g" twice and never again)

Let me preface all of this by saying - I was just a guy - with a chemical education and my friends were getting UGL shit via mail. Between me getting tired of them bitching about it - and them asking me - and me wanting my friends to be healthy... I've embarked on producing what THEY need for LOCAL use.

Want to call it/me a "UGL" ok.

That said. what's the real state of UGL's and why.

This is only my perspective, but my past gives me a good insight.

First, we of course know that this is all illegal, and that right there is one of the issues as the customers really have no recourse and in most cases really don't know who they are dealing with.

We start at the "powder" - does your UGL test the powder?

Do they first do a quick melting point test and then submit the batch of powder for lab testing?

If the powder isn't perfect, do they have procedures to either ameliorate the contamination or return the powder?

A vet here, whom I respect and thank very much, gave me a lead on a powder source that was "vetted" (so much better than "g2g") and I ordered some Test Enanthate powder.

It melted at the right point, but it didn't SOLIDIFY - becoming a viscous clear fluid.

I sent a sample out for lab testing and am still waiting for those results, but while waiting I wanted to know "WHAT" and "WHY".

I tried the simplest test. Wash the powder in distilled water and let it dry.

Voila, powder that melts at the right temperature AND solidifies to an white/off-white waxy solid.

The impurity was water soluble, and my bet is on heptanoic acid or some derivative thereof which formed a eutectic with the Test Enanthate.

Depending on the first analysis, I will either clean the powder and send a second sample for analysis - or return the powder. If the source won't do the right thing I will OUT them on every board known to man kind.

(In other words - I'll put on THE HAT)

This problem seems to be twofold:

1) Materials

2) Procedures

The self-imposed radical secrecy surrounding powder sources doesn't help #1. If people and UGLs had multiple sources - the bad ones would fade away in favor of the better vetted sources.

Onto the questions you should ask of yourself and your choice of lab.

Is your choice of UGL doing an continuous check on it's source materials?

Do they compensate the dosing based on analysis?

Are the rest of their materials USP/NF or AR grade?

(Sorry - supermarket oil doesn't cut it)

Do they even know why they are using BA and BB?

Do they know of the other options such as chlorobutanol?

Are they using aseptic procedure and sterilizing everything with heat and time in either dry ovens or autoclaves? Not "chemical" sterilization or "baking fluids", but actual good old

Do they use 0.2 ?m membrane filters to purify the vial-ready mixed oils?

If they use a pipette to fill (suboptimal as it's nearly impossible to keep the makeup air sterile) is it kept sterile?

If they use a pump like a Dispensette, is it sterilized before use and is the makeup air also sterilized? (the pressure-equalization air can be filtered using one of those small whatman filters and an adapter)

Are the vials stoppered IMMEDIATELY after filling? In a sterile manner?

Are the crimps solid and the vials/stoppers/crimp rings of adequate quality

These are the questions that need to be asked.

It would be optimal if the lab submitted random samples of finished product for biological contamination testing as well. Not sure if that's even possible on a large scale, though.

Can your UGL lie about these things? Sure.

But enough people asking enough questions,,, and...

The truth shall set you free!

Walt

PS: If you're going to think to yourself how much superior your powder source is to mine - I've included my PGP key - you know what to do [)]

I'm happy to keep sources in confidence as well as order and pay to test source materials to see what's up.




My PGP key:

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so you might use chlorobutanol at say .02-.05% as an antimicrobial instead of BA?
Its awesome to have a chemist here, its what people must have felt conversing with Antoine Lavoisier long ago
Goose

 

[whwlives]

how do you get paid and it not be traced back to you.

most WU and MG places have cameras.

Bitcoin is not anonymous. Eventually it has to be turned to cash.

You could roll up some huge complex structure that would work
until it didn't and then add money laundering times 1000 to your woes.

May I ask.what specifically do you find about"the mechanics of internet sales" so disquieting?
Just curious!
Goose

 

[whwlives]

so you might use chlorobutanol at say .02-.05% as an antimicrobial instead of BA?
Its awesome to have a chemist here, its what people must have felt conversing with Antoine Lavoisier long ago
Goose

I believe it's 0.5% or 1 part in 200.

you can search online for the PI sheets for pharmaceutical grade AAS.

 

[Juice n Goose]

One minute this UGL is "g2g", the next they are the devil.

This powder source is "g2g" and next it's not.

(OK, I have said "g2g" twice and never again)

Let me preface all of this by saying - I was just a guy - with a chemical education and my friends were getting UGL shit via mail. Between me getting tired of them bitching about it - and them asking me - and me wanting my friends to be healthy... I've embarked on producing what THEY need for LOCAL use.

Want to call it/me a "UGL" ok.

That said. what's the real state of UGL's and why.

This is only my perspective, but my past gives me a good insight.

First, we of course know that this is all illegal, and that right there is one of the issues as the customers really have no recourse and in most cases really don't know who they are dealing with.

We start at the "powder" - does your UGL test the powder?

Do they first do a quick melting point test and then submit the batch of powder for lab testing?

If the powder isn't perfect, do they have procedures to either ameliorate the contamination or return the powder?

A vet here, whom I respect and thank very much, gave me a lead on a powder source that was "vetted" (so much better than "g2g") and I ordered some Test Enanthate powder.

It melted at the right point, but it didn't SOLIDIFY - becoming a viscous clear fluid.

I sent a sample out for lab testing and am still waiting for those results, but while waiting I wanted to know "WHAT" and "WHY".

I tried the simplest test. Wash the powder in distilled water and let it dry.

Voila, powder that melts at the right temperature AND solidifies to an white/off-white waxy solid.

The impurity was water soluble, and my bet is on heptanoic acid or some derivative thereof which formed a eutectic with the Test Enanthate.

Depending on the first analysis, I will either clean the powder and send a second sample for analysis - or return the powder. If the source won't do the right thing I will OUT them on every board known to man kind.

(In other words - I'll put on THE HAT)

This problem seems to be twofold:

1) Materials

2) Procedures

The self-imposed radical secrecy surrounding powder sources doesn't help #1. If people and UGLs had multiple sources - the bad ones would fade away in favor of the better vetted sources.

Onto the questions you should ask of yourself and your choice of lab.

Is your choice of UGL doing an continuous check on it's source materials?

Do they compensate the dosing based on analysis?

Are the rest of their materials USP/NF or AR grade?

(Sorry - supermarket oil doesn't cut it)

Do they even know why they are using BA and BB?

Do they know of the other options such as chlorobutanol?

Are they using aseptic procedure and sterilizing everything with heat and time in either dry ovens or autoclaves? Not "chemical" sterilization or "baking fluids", but actual good old

Do they use 0.2 ?m membrane filters to purify the vial-ready mixed oils?

If they use a pipette to fill (suboptimal as it's nearly impossible to keep the makeup air sterile) is it kept sterile?

If they use a pump like a Dispensette, is it sterilized before use and is the makeup air also sterilized? (the pressure-equalization air can be filtered using one of those small whatman filters and an adapter)

Are the vials stoppered IMMEDIATELY after filling? In a sterile manner?

Are the crimps solid and the vials/stoppers/crimp rings of adequate quality

These are the questions that need to be asked.

It would be optimal if the lab submitted random samples of finished product for biological contamination testing as well. Not sure if that's even possible on a large scale, though.

Can your UGL lie about these things? Sure.

But enough people asking enough questions,,, and...

The truth shall set you free!

Walt

PS: If you're going to think to yourself how much superior your powder source is to mine - I've included my PGP key - you know what to do [)]

I'm happy to keep sources in confidence as well as order and pay to test source materials to see what's up.




My PGP key:

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I believe it's 0.5% or 1 part in 200.

you can search online for the PI sheets for pharmaceutical grade AAS.

Now why am I NOT surprised..1/200! ...05%! I wonder if the chlorobutanol at the right Ph would be pip-free.Very interesting!
Thank you for the response!
Hope you hang out,would really enjoy conversing with you on occasion.
Goose

 

[Big_paul]

One minute this UGL is "g2g", the next they are the devil.

This powder source is "g2g" and next it's not.

(OK, I have said "g2g" twice and never again)

Let me preface all of this by saying - I was just a guy - with a chemical education and my friends were getting UGL shit via mail. Between me getting tired of them bitching about it - and them asking me - and me wanting my friends to be healthy... I've embarked on producing what THEY need for LOCAL use.

Want to call it/me a "UGL" ok.

That said. what's the real state of UGL's and why.

This is only my perspective, but my past gives me a good insight.

First, we of course know that this is all illegal, and that right there is one of the issues as the customers really have no recourse and in most cases really don't know who they are dealing with.

We start at the "powder" - does your UGL test the powder?

Do they first do a quick melting point test and then submit the batch of powder for lab testing?

If the powder isn't perfect, do they have procedures to either ameliorate the contamination or return the powder?

A vet here, whom I respect and thank very much, gave me a lead on a powder source that was "vetted" (so much better than "g2g") and I ordered some Test Enanthate powder.

It melted at the right point, but it didn't SOLIDIFY - becoming a viscous clear fluid.

I sent a sample out for lab testing and am still waiting for those results, but while waiting I wanted to know "WHAT" and "WHY".

I tried the simplest test. Wash the powder in distilled water and let it dry.

Voila, powder that melts at the right temperature AND solidifies to an white/off-white waxy solid.

The impurity was water soluble, and my bet is on heptanoic acid or some derivative thereof which formed a eutectic with the Test Enanthate.

Depending on the first analysis, I will either clean the powder and send a second sample for analysis - or return the powder. If the source won't do the right thing I will OUT them on every board known to man kind.

(In other words - I'll put on THE HAT)

This problem seems to be twofold:

1) Materials

2) Procedures

The self-imposed radical secrecy surrounding powder sources doesn't help #1. If people and UGLs had multiple sources - the bad ones would fade away in favor of the better vetted sources.

Onto the questions you should ask of yourself and your choice of lab.

Is your choice of UGL doing an continuous check on it's source materials?

Do they compensate the dosing based on analysis?

Are the rest of their materials USP/NF or AR grade?

(Sorry - supermarket oil doesn't cut it)

Do they even know why they are using BA and BB?

Do they know of the other options such as chlorobutanol?

Are they using aseptic procedure and sterilizing everything with heat and time in either dry ovens or autoclaves? Not "chemical" sterilization or "baking fluids", but actual good old

Do they use 0.2 ?m membrane filters to purify the vial-ready mixed oils?

If they use a pipette to fill (suboptimal as it's nearly impossible to keep the makeup air sterile) is it kept sterile?

If they use a pump like a Dispensette, is it sterilized before use and is the makeup air also sterilized? (the pressure-equalization air can be filtered using one of those small whatman filters and an adapter)

Are the vials stoppered IMMEDIATELY after filling? In a sterile manner?

Are the crimps solid and the vials/stoppers/crimp rings of adequate quality

These are the questions that need to be asked.

It would be optimal if the lab submitted random samples of finished product for biological contamination testing as well. Not sure if that's even possible on a large scale, though.

Can your UGL lie about these things? Sure.

But enough people asking enough questions,,, and...

The truth shall set you free!

Walt

PS: If you're going to think to yourself how much superior your powder source is to mine - I've included my PGP key - you know what to do [)]

I'm happy to keep sources in confidence as well as order and pay to test source materials to see what's up.




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vetted, i like that. sounds cooler than g2g. only problem is some folks will not know what vetted means. vetted.

 

[weightcrusher]

It comes down to us stopping these crooked assholes who bash every supplier they can and promote the ones they want. The ones they promote always go scammer. I have seen a few people come and go here that couldn't survive the hard time that should of been given a chance.

 

[Spyder]

It comes down to us stopping these crooked assholes who bash every supplier they can and promote the ones they want. The ones they promote always go scammer. I have seen a few people come and go here that couldn't survive the hard time that should of been given a chance.

Do you even read or do you just randomly post shit here and there?