Think I might be on the unwanted path of developing diabetes at 50.

[RoidmeDangerfield]

By the way, I don't currently inject GH. It's been fourteen years since I took any of that. I am only on testosterone hormone replacement therapy. I added trenbolone last summer which I haven't done since my thirties. And prior to that I did a Sustanon (400mg) cycle right before COVID hit and all the gyms closed down.

 

[Demondosage]

You will find that many anabolic are going to fuck with your glucose and are not a good idea, especially heavy orals like shop and anadrol. Liquid SARMS and even clenbuterol are probably going to fuck with you. I’m back on HGH right now but I take it at night before bed, pop 1,000mg berberine right after and I keep my dosing at 2.5iu 5x per week

 

[lankyOldIdiot]

By the way, I don't currently inject GH. It's been fourteen years since I took any of that. I am only on testosterone hormone replacement therapy. I added trenbolone last summer which I haven't done since my thirties. And prior to that I did a Sustanon (400mg) cycle right before COVID hit and all the gyms closed down.

Can you measure your BG after a 16 hour fast?

 

[Type-IIx]

Fatty liver, high carbohydrate/glucose intake, lack of cardio, obesity (even mild central), smoking, drinking, all bad for this. You can get some berberine+silymarin (milk thistle), Metformin, as insulin sensitizing agents they'll patch things up a bit, but those lifestyle factors are the big things to address the root cause(s). Note that tren is a fairly potent insulin sensitizing agent itself, if HbA1c continued to increase on it, not a great sign.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Have you checked your post prandial numbers to see what your response to food is?

If you’re usin berberine make sure it’s with MCT. Metformin should be in for how dirt cheap it is.

 

[RoidmeDangerfield]

Can you measure your BG after a 16 hour fast?

I've been checking my glucose with my own monitor I bought from Walgreens. Oddly, it doesn't spike super high. After eating a HUGE birthday meal at a Mexican restaurant I tested my glucose an hour afterward and it was 131. I got home, fell asleep and measured it again when I woke up around 3am. It was basically seven hours since I last ate and it was 106, I believe.

I did some fasted cardio around 5am at my home gym and got it down to 94. But by that point I'm starving so I ate and from that point you know it just spikes back up.

 

[RoidmeDangerfield]

Note that tren is a fairly potent insulin sensitizing agent itself, if HbA1c continued to increase on it, not a great sign.

So are you suggesting that trenbolone could have been the culprit? The thing is, I started my tren in July and finished using it at the end of October. That was four months total. I had my glucose serum level tested on October 1st and it was 77. So I was on trenbolone for three months by this point and it was the lowest I ever had over the past year. Not sure why it would be 116 after having been off the tren for two months.

 

[Type-IIx]

So are you suggesting that trenbolone could have been the culprit? The thing is, I started my tren in July and finished using it at the end of October. That was four months total. I had my glucose serum level tested on October 1st and it was 77. So I was on trenbolone for three months by this point and it was the lowest I ever had over the past year. Not sure why it would be 116 after having been off the tren for two months.

That makes sense as tren lowers blood glucose by increasing insulin sensitivity (and lowering serum GH). So the 77 was an "artificially lowered" value by the tren.

 

[RoidmeDangerfield]

Have you checked your post prandial numbers to see what your response to food is?

If you’re usin berberine make sure it’s with MCT. Metformin should be in for how dirt cheap it is.

I don't think I have ever had postprandial numbers checked. Is there a home test for that? I'll look for berberine with MCT oil. Thanks.




Well, I reached out to my physician and after pointing out my numbers she said I am not even prediabetic and to stop worrying. I'm confused. I thought a non-diabetic should have blood sugar under 100 after two meals of not eating. But I just went to the Mayo Clinic website and see different numbers.

"The American Diabetes Association (ADA) generally recommends the following target blood sugar levels:

• Between 80 and 130 milligrams per deciliter (mg/dL) or 4.4 to 7.2 millimoles per liter (mmol/L) before meals
• Less than 180 mg/dL (10.0 mmol/L) two hours after meals"

Link: Blood sugar testing: Why, when and how

I'm really confused now. Last night I went to a Mexican restaurant for a birthday dinner and pigged out and had one orchata which has a lot of sugar. I tested my glucose 1.5 hours later and it was 131. If I am to go by these guidelines on the mayo clinic I should consider myself to be just fine.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Fucking doctors man. Trending up and she wants to wait till it’s diagnosable. Unreal.

 

[Villain]

Fucking doctors man. Trending up and she wants to wait till it’s diagnosable. Unreal.

There’s no money in curing a patient. They need repeat customers.

 

[Bigdiddy]

Hey, all.

Been a while since I posted. Been super busy with life, my work, fixing up my one year old home and making time to go to the gym. I'm creating this thread to see if others out there have developed type 2 diabetes and if so how are you dealing with it? I also wanted to share my labs and get some input on whether or not I should be worried.

My past several AIC test results:

View attachment 159037

I am getting concerned because as you can see in the chart above, my testing history is showing a gradual increase. My last test shows I'm at 5.4 which means I'm creeping toward pre-diabetes (5.7 to 6.4).

I also had my glucose blood serum levels checked and it was 116. However, I did have a protein drink about twenty minutes before they drew my blood. But that's because you're not required to fast before an AIC test and I was hungry. I had a Premier protein drink on the way to the labs. But the drink I had only has 4g of carbs and only 1g of sugar per serving. So I'm a bit confused if that had much effect at all on my glucose levels.

I read that after two hours of eating your glucose levels should be under 100. I bought one of those glucose testing kits from Walgreens and have been testing myself periodically at home. I seem to always be around 110-116 throughout the day, even after two hours of no food. Even after a full night's rest I take my glucose reading at it's 116, give or take. Only rarely have I tested at around 88.

Has anyone gone through something similar and developed diabetes? Or were you able to halt and reverse the situation?

I'm very good at eating well. I do eat a lot of white rice to keep my weight up. So I wonder if the starches I consume are causing the issue. I used to intermittent fast (16 hours fast, 8 hour window for eating daily) for years and was doing a keto style diet for about eight months up until two years ago. I was super lean and my glucose levels were never an issue my whole life. But as of two years ago I've been trying to gain muscular lean weight and now eat about 300 grams of carbs daily - no more fasting. I'm 225lb now and my waist is 32" and have visible abs. I'm not a fatty by any means and look better than most of the guys half my age that I see at the gym. I work out six days a week and as of last week put back 30 minutes of cardio back into my routine which I plan to do four to five times weekly indefinitely.

Any thoughts, advice or input?

Are u on hgh?

 

[Bigdiddy]

Just read that u stated u r not . My bad

 

[RoidmeDangerfield]

Just wanted to say that I've been doing a keto style diet and now my glucose levels are averaging 85 which is incredible. I haven't lost too much size or strength in the gym but that's more than likely due to my being on hormone replacement therapy.

Even after about an hour of eating my glucose readings only reach 93. Any actual sugar I do get in my diet is from dairy (kefir mainly) and the salads I eat for roughage.

 

[FH93]

I've never had diabetes, but I highly recommend following Stan Efferding and watching his videos. He highly maintains health as his priority when it comes to all his clients. One of the biggest things he talks about is fixing insulin resistance and all that good stuff and has had many clients who've had their diabetes improve by following his advice.

All his information is free on YouTube as he's given lectures and been on may podcasts, but he also has an ebook called 'the vertical diet and peak performance' which I highly recommend.

 

[TrenTrenTren]

Hey, all.

Been a while since I posted. Been super busy with life, my work, fixing up my one year old home and making time to go to the gym. I'm creating this thread to see if others out there have developed type 2 diabetes and if so how are you dealing with it? I also wanted to share my labs and get some input on whether or not I should be worried.

My past several AIC test results:

View attachment 159037

I am getting concerned because as you can see in the chart above, my testing history is showing a gradual increase. My last test shows I'm at 5.4 which means I'm creeping toward pre-diabetes (5.7 to 6.4).

I also had my glucose blood serum levels checked and it was 116. However, I did have a protein drink about twenty minutes before they drew my blood. But that's because you're not required to fast before an AIC test and I was hungry. I had a Premier protein drink on the way to the labs. But the drink I had only has 4g of carbs and only 1g of sugar per serving. So I'm a bit confused if that had much effect at all on my glucose levels.

I read that after two hours of eating your glucose levels should be under 100. I bought one of those glucose testing kits from Walgreens and have been testing myself periodically at home. I seem to always be around 110-116 throughout the day, even after two hours of no food. Even after a full night's rest I take my glucose reading at it's 116, give or take. Only rarely have I tested at around 88.

Has anyone gone through something similar and developed diabetes? Or were you able to halt and reverse the situation?

I'm very good at eating well. I do eat a lot of white rice to keep my weight up. So I wonder if the starches I consume are causing the issue. I used to intermittent fast (16 hours fast, 8 hour window for eating daily) for years and was doing a keto style diet for about eight months up until two years ago. I was super lean and my glucose levels were never an issue my whole life. But as of two years ago I've been trying to gain muscular lean weight and now eat about 300 grams of carbs daily - no more fasting. I'm 225lb now and my waist is 32" and have visible abs. I'm not a fatty by any means and look better than most of the guys half my age that I see at the gym. I work out six days a week and as of last week put back 30 minutes of cardio back into my routine which I plan to do four to five times weekly indefinitely.

Any thoughts, advice or input?

The protein you drank before the test may have already began it's conversion to glucose. It may have affected the results.

 

[UncleBuns]

My last blood test showed my A1C at 6.7….

Thing is my diet is pretty clean other than massive amounts of red meat for stretches of time.

Doctor didn’t really show concern not that I followed up much about it.

Is this something I should worry about?

Diabetes Diagnosis & Tests | ADA

Learn about the diabetes diagnosis criteria and various tests used like A1C, Fasting Plasma Glucose (FPG), Oral Glucose Tolerance Test (OGTT), and Random Plasma Glucose Test.

www.diabetes.org

I would act fast and now if my A1c was that high. Diabetes is no joke.

 

[UncleBuns]

Do you have a glucose test at home? Might be a good idea to have your own to test throughout the day and try to pin down what food causes issue and what changes are working the best.

 

[RoidmeDangerfield]

I've never had diabetes, but I highly recommend following Stan Efferding and watching his videos. He highly maintains health as his priority when it comes to all his clients. One of the biggest things he talks about is fixing insulin resistance and all that good stuff and has had many clients who've had their diabetes improve by following his advice.

All his information is free on YouTube as he's given lectures and been on may podcasts, but he also has an ebook called 'the vertical diet and peak performance' which I highly recommend.

Hey, thanks for this info. I just looked him up. I see he has a lot of videos. I'm going to check it out.

 

[ortho]

Just my two cents but your labs look fine. I’ve dissected a lot of literature on blood glucose and hemoglobin A-1 C, and spot glucose checks don’t really give you the big picture. Your hemoglobin A1c looks fine.
One thing you may want to do is look into a continuous glucose monitor. It will allow you to see the effects that different foods have on your blood glucose. It’s surprising because some lower glycemic foods affect my blood sugar and some higher glycemic foods don’t.

The key to keeping your cells sensitive to insulin is to Control those sugar spikes. Obviously you’re exercising and that increases cell sensitivity.

As mentioned before berberine can be extremely helpful.

Continuous glucose monitors have been extremely expensive in the past, but there are some companies now offering them not for diabetic control but for insight into diet and are way less expensive than getting them for diabetic control.

I’ve been wearing a blood glucose monitor now for three months, and it’s giving me amazing insight into my blood sugars.

What works for me is adding apple cider vinegar in a glass of water and drinking it 20 minutes before my meals. It doesn’t have to be strong but really controls blood glucose spikes.

Also an interesting experiment that helps my blood sugar is when I do eat a carb like beans or rice, cooking these and then refrigerating them overnight and then reheating them changes the starch make up and seems to reduce spikes significantly. Portion of the starch becomes a resistant starch.

Sorry for the long post but this topic really interest me.