Thinking of using deca for the first time. Looking for some insight.

[TheIncomparableMrHarrow]

I have a couple cycles under my belt and am a 37 year old male on trt. I do not compete but enjoy powerlifting more than anything else lifting wise. I guess my style is somewhat of a “power building” style of training. My personal best were 500lb squat(sleeves), 515lb deadlift, and a 360lb bench at 191lbs bodyweight. I ruptured my tricep and have been trying to build myself back up ever since.
Thinking of the following cycle for 12 weeks but maybe longer and looking to put on some size and strength:

Test cyp @ 525
Mast e @ 420
Deca @ 300

I will also be continuing my trt therapy of hcg at 500ius twice a week unless I can’t control my estro. For some reason, I always have better control of my estro when not running hcg during my blasts

From previous cycle experience I will be dosing arimidex at .5mgs on injection days which would be every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. I have caber on hand from previous tren cycles but never used it. I am hoping to not use it this time around as well and am thinking of possibly using vitamin b6. Never really used it before so I am not sure if I should start it immediately or several weeks into the cycle. Not really sure on how much to run for such a low dose of deca but I want to cover all my bases to have the smoothest cycle possible.
I am currently only on my trt dosing protocol and 30mgs of mk677 as an experiment to see if it alleviates some nagging issues that I am having including my tricep. Looking to blast soon and I do have other compounds available and am open to suggestions but I have never ran deca before so this is what I have come up with.
Thoughts? Suggestions? Insight

 

[bob357sig]

Sounds like you have a good plan and have a good idea about what you are doing already. Cycle sounds pretty reasonable to me, I love Deca. For me it is a feel good compound, maby because of the joint relief it gives. After about 3 weeks you will start to notice some nagging aches and pains start to disappear. Me personally I would make it a 15 week blast, no need to worry about pct and hard shutdown if you’r on TRT. 300 is a good starting dose, I have gone up as high as 600 per week but didn’t notice much of an advantage over just using 400. If you didn’t need caber while using tren then you wil more then likely not need it for Deca, glad you have on hand though. Lot of guys love mast with nandrolone,something I still have to try myself. I think you will enjoy this blast.

 

[bob357sig]

I just want to clarify something I said in my post. When I said joint pains disappear, I should have said: joint pains Temporarily disappear. Those old pains usually come back about one month after the last pin, but it is nice to have that pain free time. Deca has never “healed” anything for me, pains don’t come back worse, but do come back.

 

[TheIncomparableMrHarrow]

I am also reading posts from user experience that the “masked” joint relief had caused more harm than good. Almost like a cortisone shot.

 

[All Nats McGee]

I would run a little bit less test with the deca if your already got the mast in. Probably around 200-300 test. Otherwise you’ll most likely need a AI and are gonna hold a lot of water. Also with that much test and deca you’ll need to monitor your blood pressure closely.

 

[TheIncomparableMrHarrow]

Yes regarding the AI. Like the original post had explained I do plan on dosing arimidex at .5mgs on injection days. Blood pressure is usually around 110/70 on trt. It does raise somewhat on cycle for me but not significantly.

 

[Rosconow]

Unless you are prone to prolactin sides, you wont need the caber at 300mg deca weekly.

 

[MegaDaveMustang]

Yes as stated if you are using Deca for the first time, definitely keep a close eye on blood pressure. As with anything people respond differently but anytime I use Deca my BP spikes - and I'm already on Enalapril 20mg daily, have been for about 10yrs.

I don't get the BP issue with NPP, just Deca. I'm sure others may know why that is but I'm guessing the difference in esters. Even so, I love Nandrolone and will use one or the other depending what other compounds I'm running but in more recent cycles I've leaned more toward the short ester, NPP.

300mg seems like a good dose to start. My first Deca cycle was only 250mg with 300mg Test E for 16wks and it was great. Consumed tons of water, which is essential, appetite through the roof, nice gains of which I was able to keep most with PCT (I'm on TRT now though) & continued discipline in all necessary areas. Never had a prolactin issue as of yet but I always keep the necessaries on hand just in case.

My sweet spot nowadays is 375 NPP or 400 Deca. As I get older though I'll likely lower the Deca dose if I run it again, and I plan to. Regarding the joint point relief, yes it's temporary. I can't speak on cardio issues but I don't run Nandro every cycle. My favorite perk with this of course is running it alongside Winstrol as it provides relief from the usual joint issues there.

 

[GrizzlyMint]

Npp for the win

 

[Smp3537]

Npp for the win

Thinking the same thing

 

[Theworm]

Been using deca for 20 years. Ran it solo once, big mistake. Ran it 100 mg test and 600 deca, made decent gains, no sides, labs good, never any issues with prolactin ever. No sexual sides.
Now my sweet spot is 400 test and 300 deca x 16 weeks, joints feel great and the strength just continues through the blast. Keep pushing harder and harder with less effort. Main issue is HCT and BP, only way to address it is monthly phlebotomy, but other than that, I personally love it.

 

[stone988]

For first time Deca run it whith test alone so you can see the results and sides. Test 400mg deca 200 wait 8 weeks min evaluate something like that.

 

[Demondosage]

I don't see a reason for masteron in the cycle. Most won't need a prolactin antagonist if dosed moderately like you are proposing. Drugs like caber or prami are hard on the hdl and can cause heart valve issues in some users.

 

[TheIncomparableMrHarrow]

My reasoning behind the mast with the deca is because of how well it was with a previous tren run. I have always preferred test tren and mast to just test and tren.

 

[TheIncomparableMrHarrow]

I don't see a reason for masteron in the cycle. Most won't need a prolactin antagonist if dosed moderately like you are proposing. Drugs like caber or prami are hard on the hdl and can cause heart valve issues in some users.

Thank you for taking the time to respond demon. I won’t be taking any caber or am trying not to at all. I haven’t needed it previously and my logic has always been that if I keep estro in check then prolactin will be fine.

 

[TheIncomparableMrHarrow]

So.... started the run about two weeks ago. Decided to run it as follows: deca @ 50mgs, test @ 100mgs, and mast @ 80mgs on M/W/F bringing the totals for the week 150/300/240. Had to drop the hcg because my nipples were beginning to get very itchy and I began to get worried about it...... Over the years I had learned that I was gyno prone the hard way.

Been training using the juggernaut method and calories have been increased. Other than the nipple sensitivity been feeling pretty good. The plan is to taper up to the original planned doses as the weeks go on if I can tolerate the lower doses, as well as, the calories.
So far so good.

 

[Carter79]

So.... started the run about two weeks ago. Decided to run it as follows: deca @ 50mgs, test @ 100mgs, and mast @ 80mgs on M/W/F bringing the totals for the week 150/300/240. Had to drop the hcg because my nipples were beginning to get very itchy and I began to get worried about it...... Over the years I had learned that I was gyno prone the hard way.

Been training using the juggernaut method and calories have been increased. Other than the nipple sensitivity been feeling pretty good. The plan is to taper up to the original planned doses as the weeks go on if I can tolerate the lower doses, as well as, the calories.
So far so good.

Keep us updated I'm planning on running a very similar cycle just different dosages soon and I'm curious as to how it goes for you.

 

[Theworm]

How do you feel?

 

[TheIncomparableMrHarrow]

Not too bad. The nipple sensitivity worried me the most. Just switched up my training from a 5/3/1 style to juggernaut. Reason being is that I would like to take advantage of some of the hypertrophy during the earlier phases and the planned deload lines up with an upcoming vacation.

I am planning to eventually up the calories in the coming weeks and if the trend in my first phase of juggernaut continues out I would add about 25 pounds to my deadlift training max(the 10’s phase). I did start my training maxes somewhat lower than normal due to the auto regulation that occurs in the program. My projected deadlift max was 530lbs @ 194lbs bodyweight and was brought down to 475lbs. Currently bodyweight is sitting at 196lbs.

 

[TheIncomparableMrHarrow]

Back shot.