big rob
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Injectable or edible Winny........ Opinions please......
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I took 100 mg IP winny tabs, the last 4 weeks of my test cycle last summer. I didn't gain any more weight, but I got more vascular and stronger. I knew it was working because my joints started to become tight and sore after the 3 week mark. I would say, buy the IP winny tabs and give them a shot, they are cheaper and work very good imo.
big rob said:
What's the difference?
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patsfan
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I would have to say that orals are hasher on the liver.MaxRep said:
Chip Bronson
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they are both 17-aa, so they have the same effect on the liver. the difference is you can use less if you use the injectable.
eleven11
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I've read injectible was better. Im doing win for the first time I'm only 2 weeks into the win so I cant comment at the moment....11
big rob
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I hate to say this Chip but they are definately not the same on the liver. Any oral goes through the liver twice which is much harsher.....
Chip Bronson
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big rob said:
yep you're right rob. thanks.
don't know what i was thinking. i forgot that it would be going through the liver twice as an oral. that's why you would, theoretcially, have a greater igf-1 response with the oral.
big rob
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No problem stud......
I could easily be wrong, but I would think both the injectable and orals forms would go through the liver many times before they are completely metabolized. The orals of course would get the direct first pass, which might result in more stress because of the high initial dose. But the half-life of these drugs would suggest they are circulating in the bloodstream and going through the liver over the course of many hours.
big rob
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I will have to agree as to them being in the blood stream for a while and hence passing through the entire system many times. However, the first 2 passes through the liver are the harsh ones in question. This is when the orals get broken down and sent on their way.....
Hmmm, it seems no one really picked up on my question as being both facetious and rhetorical.
The product, whether taken orally or injected, is the exact same product. Namely a 17aa oral steroid. Does it avoid the first pass if injected, yes. Which means more will circulate longer and produce a greater effect than the same amount taken orally. Does it really matter in terms of toxicity, not really. It still passes through the liver and must be broken down. Does it matter in terms of bodybuilding effectiveness, not really. Could a lab measure the differences, yes. Would anyone in the real world really notice a difference, no.
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The product, whether taken orally or injected, is the exact same product. Namely a 17aa oral steroid. Does it avoid the first pass if injected, yes. Which means more will circulate longer and produce a greater effect than the same amount taken orally. Does it really matter in terms of toxicity, not really. It still passes through the liver and must be broken down. Does it matter in terms of bodybuilding effectiveness, not really. Could a lab measure the differences, yes. Would anyone in the real world really notice a difference, no.
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big rob
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Unless one was suffering from some sort of liver issues like Hep C. Then it could have a definate negative effect orally......
big rob said:
About the same negative effect as taking it via injection. Not to mention that one would have to be an idiot to have hepatitis and take an oral steroid either way.
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