Thymosin Beta 4

[romaleos]

Doing an easy cycle log of TB4 much like @Nitrust to share my experiences.

I've been battling tendinitis for a few years and chasing injuries as it travels from joint to joint around my body. No major pain (1-2 on scale of 10) but definitely holding me back from many pr's and affecting my form squat and ability to go heavy overhead. It's probably just old age but I'm not even close to throwing in the towel.

Weeks 1-4, 4mg, 2x week
Weeks 5-beyond, 2mg, 1x week

I'm 4 weeks into 4iu/day of GH. Nothing else except OTC vitamins and supps.

Hope to be decently recovered and preloaded with GH before I start aas cycle in 3-4 weeks.

Current ailments:
1) Right wrist pain. Difficulty holding heavy weight in overhead position snatch grip width.
2) Right knee pain and weakness. Not patellar but above outer knee cap sharp pain under eccentric load. Pain also in right outer hamstring and calf muscle just about the knee joint.

My expectations are to have decrease in pain and improvement in strength in these joints. Allowing me to express full ROM with maximal efforts.

 

[romaleos]

 

[Nitrust]

Wish the best of lucky to ya! Where did you get it?

 

[romaleos]

Thanks man!

Toms Peptides

 

[Dr JIM]

I'm not sure what ur saying here but if U honestly believe some unknown and unstudied (sorry those are the facts) peptide will aid in your recovery from that achieved with PHARM GRADE GH, your sadly mistaken. IMO.

Bc NOTHING comes close to the healing capabilities and possibilities of GH, even though many of those are anecdotal.

But good luck mate

 

[romaleos]

Thanks @Dr JIM for blessing my humble thread. Just guinea pigging myself and documenting the experience.

Honestly, judging by the month I have already been on GENERIC GRADE GH, I haven't experienced any acceleration in recovery. I have been pushing harder also and by nature the pathology of tendinitis is slow to heal. Now adding TB4 will probably only serve to further invalidate any reason for healing if any.

SHIT, now that I think about it, I may be better off on PHARM GRADE PLACEBO. If I can get a sample will you mass spec it for me?

 

[Dr JIM]

Sure but understand you need at least a couple moths to notice any of the COLLAGEN benefits from GH

First pin TEN IU IM of that GH and draw a serum GH level between 2-3 hits after the injection.

That's the only way I'll do pro-bono GH analyses, bc I need biological data to support my chemical tests.

 

[romaleos]

Sorry doc I meant testing my PHARM GRADE PLACEBO. Would a glucose test suffice for biological data?

 

[Dr JIM]

No

 

[romaleos]

Damn it! I already have a problem finding reliable GENERIC GRADE GH at a reasonable price. Now I have to spend more on PHARM GRADE PLACEBO?! It's all Obama's fault.

 

[romaleos]

WEEK 2

Pain subsiding from right wrist. Laying off on heavy overhead movements has contributed but the pain recovery appears faster than when doing the same without TB-4.

Right knee pain also subsiding but may be the cause of trigger point and deep tissue myofacial release of quad and calf. Friend who is a PT has been rolling me out.

Although pain is subsiding, I still notice same lack of ROM as if impingement due to inflammation still remains. Pain appears masked. Hopefully full healing will continue in weeks to come.

 

[romaleos]

Part of today's training:

Overhead squats, tempo 2 sec eccentric x 2 sec pause x 4 sets x triple, 185lb

Sub-maximal still but wrist felt way better than three weeks ago at 155lb. Gonna ease into it. So far TB-4 doing its thing but could also be Karl's GH.

 

[romaleos]

WEEK 3

Pain in right wrist is nearly gone. But still not as flexible as left wrist.

Right knee no significant improvements. But probably due to inclusion of plyometric training.

So far seems to be working.

 

[romaleos]

WEEK 4

Wrist same.

Knee significantly better.

Looking into BPC157 pentadeca. Probably going to remain at 4mg dosing 2x week throughout.

Going to start dialing up the loads. AAS cycle starting soon.

 

[romaleos]

Week 5

Wrist pain gone. I call it 99% until I get heavy snatches programmed.

Knee same.

Decided to maintain 4g weekly protocol through out AAS cycle.

 

[romaleos]

Well, my broscience research indicates that all joint relief and healing were caused by TB4 alone since the Karl GH I was taking for 4 months had no supraphysiological effect on my IGF-1 levels.

 

[Dr JIM]

Well, my broscience research indicates that all joint relief and healing were caused by TB4 alone since the Karl GH I was taking for 4 months had no supraphysiological effect on my IGF-1 levels.

Did you have a GH level drawn and if so what assay was used. I ask bc I'm starting to see more of this when generics are used, supra-physiologic levels of GH BUT an IGF level that remains close to baseline.

O suspect "generic GH manufacturers" are substituting that portion of the GH molecule which binds to the ELISA antibody causing GH levels to rise, BUT bc these peptides are NOT biologically active IGF levels DON NOT CHANGE!

Oh and although it's believed most of the SKM anabolic activity is derived from IGF, i'm not sure the same holds true for collagen synthesis since BOTH GH and IGF have been used as "LOCAL collagen growth factors" when combined with specific stem cells.

I don't believe the results of LOCAL vs SYSTEMIC GH therapy are even comparable with almost all of the studies revealing local therapy as MUCH more successful. But I've not done a literature search comparing the two in a while.

 

[romaleos]

@Dr JIM

Blood drop on filter paper. Not sure on the methodology for extracting results from the sample. On the lab's website I think they mention LC/MS.

Here is the link to my results, within the thread you will find info on the lab I used:
https://thinksteroids.com/community...stimgh-tt-igf-1-blood-drop-2014-12.134360911/

My opinion and expertise in the matter does not hold much weight but I agree with your suspicions. Sources have cracked the serum test in order to drum up business and peddle bunk generic GH.

 

[romaleos]

@Dr JIM

Sorry, I misread your question. No GH serum test only IGF-1. I do not have access to a labcorp or quest diagnostic where I am at. Besides, there are many who have posted positive GH serum levels. I think I am the first who posted IGF levels on Karl's GH.

I also did not have my levels checked prior to use.

 

[Dr JIM]

Oh I know many have posted considerably elevated GH levels BUT what helps differentiate weather a generic product being used is BIOLOGICALLY ACTIVE is the IGF level!

This really did not become a problem until recently when the manufacturers of generic GH learned to fragment GH into peptides that bind the antibodies used for ELISA testing, with the net effect being a FALSELY ELEVATED GH LEVEL !