Thyroid and TRT

[SinginHawk]

Anyone know if Testosterone can make thyroid meds more effective

In other words would you have to reduce your dose of Thyroid meds if you start Testosterone?

I would really like to get an answer to this. Can't seem to find anyone who knows the answer to this.

Thanks

 

[mranak]

AFAIK, the answer to your question is no. But of course, you should monitor your thyroid situation and adjust if necessary.

Might I assume that you have both thyroid and testosterone issues? And that you handled the thyroid issues first? If so, then good. Thyroid issues should be delt with first.

 

[earthdog]

Might I assume that you have both thyroid and testosterone issues? And that you handled the thyroid issues first? If so, then good. Thyroid issues should be delt with first.

Why is that?

 

[SinginHawk]

T and Thy

First off, thank you so much for the reply. It's a long story but will keep it short. I was on 2.5 grains of Armour thyroid for 13 years and then I had some fatigue which led to the doc, if you want to call her that, totally screwed things up.

In Oct she put me on Testim 1 tube and proceeded to take me on and off T 3 time in 7 months. At the same time she was jacking up my Thy med and I was hyper. I cut way back on that and have been coming back to where I am at 2 grains now.

To the present. The new doc had me 2 androgel which put me at 498 and E2 of 31.

He wanted me higher and put me on 2 tubes of Testim which put me over the top range. 827 high, I was 830 with free T and DHT all above the high ranges. At 830 my E2 was 49 and I started developing hot sweats and jitters. Which persist till now.

He cut me to 1 Tube which never got me over 398. Now I am on 1 1/2 Testim and did labs today after 2 weeks. We will see where I am in a few days.

I keeping getting the sweats and jitters and at times irritable and angry. It is difficult to tell if it is my T or E2 or Thy. I go up to 2.5 grains, my original dose and then get scared when I get the symptoms and go back down.

My labs all say I am low on Thy T4 free and T3 ftee not in the median but below. TSH is very unrealiable, but of course my doc goes alot by that and I have arguments with his all the time.

So anyway today I went to 2.5 and I am going to try and stay at that dose and see what happens.

I am using Dim and the 2 days prior to today and early morning erections but this am nada.

Sorry for such a SHORT, lol, note but any help is extremely appreciated.

 

[earthdog]

I keeping getting the sweats and jitters and at times irritable and angry.

I had the sweats before I went on TRT, and I think I remember Swale saying that sweats (night sweats, in my case) could be caused by changing T levels, either up or down. I wonder if that is the cause for you, since your T dosages have been changed pretty dramatically several times in the past several months?

I'm on Armour also, and I did note that the insert says that the side effects can include sweating, nervousness, palpatations, etc.

Hopefully Swale will see this thread and respond. Give it a "bump" in a week or so if he doesn't.

 

[SinginHawk]

T and Thy

The sweating and other symptoms you mention are due to hyperthyroid. I don't believe that is the case with me.

Thanks

 

[SinginHawk]

Night Sweats

Yeah I get them too. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[Mith]

Well

Being on T and T4 or T3 at the same time is fine from what I have read about it. A lot of folks who use steroids recreationally recommend using t3 and test in conjunction (when using t3 for fat loss) as t3 does not spare any type of body tissue when regulating metabolism (also from what I have read it targets the shoulders/upper back area first).

I know that before I started receiving any treatment for TRT I would have night sweats almost every night. Scared me but they are not so bad/often now.

Good luck to you bro.

 

[SinginHawk]

T and Thy

Seems like I get the sweats and then get weak and jitters and my ab muscles sometimes start spasming. Very weird. Happens in the day and at night. Then some nights I don't get them but can't find any link when I do or don't

 

[mranak]

Why is that?

Because that's what SWALE says. I believe that a thyroid issue can actually be the cause of certain syptoms or even the cause of the hypogonadism itself, but I am not sure.

 

[LiquidGib]

Because that's what SWALE says. I believe that a thyroid issue can actually be the cause of certain syptoms or even the cause of the hypogonadism itself, but I am not sure.

thats very interesting

Do you have any links to related information that I could check out

 

[stat1951]

Here's one that I just happened across earlier today:

http://www.gsdl.com/home/assessments/malehormone/appguide/index3.html

QUOTE:
Secondary hypogonadism can develop as a result of hypothalamic or pituitary disease, obesity, hypothyroidism or other causes. Some conditions, such as hypercortisolemia, AIDS and severe systemic illnesses, can trigger hypogonadism through a combination of both primary and secondary mechanisms.
END QUOTE

Also see:
http://www.wellmax.org/NewsPub/Stories/2001/05/07/9892607709.html

QUOTE:
The more commonly acquired causes of hypogonadism are obesity, severe systemic illness (including malnutrition, AIDS, uremia, sickle cell disease, and hepatic cirrhosis), and medications. Medications especially known to contribute to hypogonadism include ketoconazole, glucocorticoids, spironolactone, cimetidine, phenytoin, and flutamide. Hyperprolactinemia, hypercortisolemia, or hypothyroidism are also common.
END QUOTE

So HYPOthyroidism or HYPERcortisolism can be the cause of secondary hypogonadism. I had located that information as I have been getting treated (in addition to hypogonadism) for an ongoing hypercortisolism problem.

Larry

thats very interesting

Do you have any links to related information that I could check out

 

[SinginHawk]

Thyroid

Yep, low Thyroid can cause low T. Low Thyroid can cause high E. Not a good combo for men.

 

[SWALE]

Night sweats can indeed be caused by changing sex hormone levels.

You should be monitoring FREE hormone levels, for both T and thyroid. this negates the effects of changing concentrations of binding proteins, and so gives the only accurate picture of true functioning. (Actually, even better is Bioavalable T amongst sex hormones).

 

[SinginHawk]

Free Levels

My Free T is 159 and free T4 is 1 range .8-1.8 Free T 3 302 range 230-420

I would like to know by taking T will I have to cut Thy med?

Thanks