Time for some size!

[malfeasance]

My thought, which is worth what you paid for it, is to hold on to that weight for a month or so. Grow into it.

Then take a break (not 400 mg a week), then, when bloods are normal, plan a real cut and get into contest shape, single digit body fat. Should be ready by summer. Maybe step on stage.

Then start your next bulk from a very lean state.

 

[jJjburton]

My thought, which is worth what you paid for it, is to hold on to that weight for a month or so. Grow into it.

Then take a break (not 400 mg a week), then, when bloods are normal, plan a real cut and get into contest shape, single digit body fat. Should be ready by summer. Maybe step on stage.

Then start your next bulk from a very lean state.

Are you saying once I cruise? Stay with this weight? For 4 weeks

or starting now? For 4 weeks

 

[Whopperflopper]

Headaches on EQ = high hematocrit. Keep an eye on it. That requires blood tests. OR you can donate blood. They take your hemoglobin level before you donate, which is the same thing (math question to go between the two).

I had to drain my own blood it was so high the last time I ran EQ.

Yeah, you read that right.

I feel you on this. Blood pressure to high, or pulse a bit fast, and they won't trade blood for cookies and juice. I have really been thinking about it, I wish I had a good friend that is a nurse.

 

[Whopperflopper]

Are you saying once I cruise? Stay with this weight? For 4 weeks

or starting now? For 4 weeks

Do exactly as you have planned for the next 4 weeks. Your body is going to adjust to the lowered androgen level for sure, yet it won't be as drastic as going cold turkey all at once. I hope you avoid the acne that plagues me following a tren cycle.
After a month or so of 400mg week "cruise", drop down some more, say 150mg a week. As close to normal as you can get. Keep pushing the weights and eat alot of chickens. Just be sure to tone down the workout to allow proper recovery, you don't want to tear down what you have just built.

 

[jJjburton]

Cool

Do exactly as you have planned for the next 4 weeks. Your body is going to adjust to the lowered androgen level for sure, yet it won't be as drastic as going cold turkey all at once. I hope you avoid the acne that plagues me following a tren cycle.
After a month or so of 400mg week "cruise", drop down some more, say 150mg a week. As close to normal as you can get. Keep pushing the weights and eat alot of chickens. Just be sure to tone down the workout to allow proper recovery, you don't want to tear down what you have just built.

Sounds good.

 

[Aftermath9716]

Decided to run Tren and Test cycle since

I homebrew.

Tren A 133 mg/mL at .3 cc ED = 280 mg
Test C 200 mg/mL at .3 cc ED = 460 mg

will do this for 6 weeks then up dose as needed.

Adding Anadrol at week 8, for 3-4 weeks. at 50 mg.

doing low doses because when i do higher my appetite is screwed up. I dont feel like blending my food and chugging it unless i really have to at the last 4 weeks.

Running a 10 weeks cycle of tren but that is ONLY if my appetite is continuously good and my mood. If my mood is affected dropping tren and running NPP.

i also have NPP, Winny, Anadrol, Dbol, Anavar, Mast P.

But tren and test is plenty.

will be logging macros in 1 week from now.

protein- 250
Carbs - 300
Fats - 100
Cals 3100

then going from there.

ending at 4000 cals around.
i am 220 6 foot 1 and 14 % bf.

i have a 300 lb barbell set and thats what i will be using.

i have a squat rack, chest floor rack, and landmine press. Along with 40 lb dumbells. Everything i need.


I dont care what i eat, as i dont get fat. Ill be eating anything and everything.

cardio is swimming, bike rides, canoeing.

do yoga every morning.

Legs
Chest/Back
Arms Shoulders
rest

started my tren cycle on Dec 1 curious what supplements you take for heart health?
all i do is drink water lots of water for liquids had maybe like 20 beers in all my life in high school.
my cycle i think is considered low dose 75mg tren ace , 75mg test prop, 75mg mast prop eod with anadrol 50mg split morning and night.
here's the shit I take pick below, mostly concerned for the heart willing to take heart condition meds like Atorvastatin, Spironolactone, Valsartan, Novartis, Sanovel etc all from steroidify.com

my cycle i think is considered low dose 75mg tren ace , 75mg test prop, 75mg mast prop eod with anadrol 50mg split morning and night.


PS Post some PICs! I would if my progress is good, hopefully.

 

[jJjburton]

started my tren cycle on Dec 1 curious what supplements you take for heart health?
all i do is drink water lots of water for liquids had maybe like 20 beers in all my life in high school.
my cycle i think is considered low dose 75mg tren ace , 75mg test prop, 75mg mast prop eod with anadrol 50mg split morning and night.
here's the shit I take pick below, mostly concerned for the heart willing to take heart condition meds like Atorvastatin, Spironolactone, Valsartan, Novartis, Sanovel etc all from steroidify.com

my cycle i think is considered low dose 75mg tren ace , 75mg test prop, 75mg mast prop eod with anadrol 50mg split morning and night.


PS Post some PICs! I would if my progress is good, hopefully.

I dont take anything. No supplements at the moment. I try not to take too much. Just t4 for thyroid.

i take extra sodium and potassium actuallt but not too much. 3000 mg each.

That is low dose but yet tren is strong, higher doses are not always better. Seems like a good cycle, if you can handle the sides.

i posted measurments before. No pics tatoos will show.

i wish i could been making good progress.

still at 240. This weight i am staying
and then will cut.

with 100 mg anadrol and tren be prepared for heart burn. Apple Cider Vinegar.

 

[jJjburton]

As a “challenge” a goal i am going to get to sub 12%.
So weighing food and finding my actual maintenence this weeks and next.

starting at 240 lbs i have been 240 for a week.

going to hit

350 grams protein 300 grams carbs 100 grams fat and adjust from there. As many suggested. Staying at 240 for 4 weeks then start my cut on 400 mg test then to 200 mg test.

To hit my next cycle of test and EQ,(this might be changed) i dont use mast. in 8-10 weeks from now. Which will be my first cut cycle ever.

using 400 mg now starting monday. Wont pin until monday.

 

[jJjburton]

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My thought, which is worth what you paid for it, is to hold on to that weight for a month or so. Grow into it.

Then take a break (not 400 mg a week), then, when bloods are normal, plan a real cut and get into contest shape, single digit body fat. Should be ready by summer. Maybe step on stage.

Then start your next bulk from a very lean state.

Instead of doing a cycle where people usually bulk then cut.

can you cut and then bulk? Or cut then lean bulk? Or would it be better to cut then cruise staying at cut weight for a couple weeks, then cycle again adding leaner mass?

 

[malfeasance]

I would stick with your current plan, except I would not be cutting on 400 or 200. As I said above, once I held on to the weight for a while, I would take a break. That means no hormones. If you are older, that means 100 mg of test a week to maybe 200mg of test a week (I am not being hypocritical, I took a break recently on 0 and now am on 75-150 mg a week for a bit). Get healthy. Give your heart a break. Run blood tests. Check that all is well (cholesterol, liver and kidney markers, blood pressure, etc). Do that for however long it takes for you to be healthy and to fit your personal risk tolerance (this is all a risk).

Then I would run a real cut, with hormones high enough to hold on to all of your lean mass or as much as humanly possible. That is probably not 400 or 200 of test unless you just do not have much lean mass hiding under the body fat.

 

[malfeasance]

The cut is made in the kitchen.

And to some extent on the step mill.

The muscle is held on to by hormones signaling the body to hold on and high protein signaling the body to keep the muscles adapted to this heavy ass resistance training that is still battering me despite being on the edge of starvation mode.


"Starving and cardio? WTF?" <---- that is what your body is saying.

Your body needs the hormones to tell it to do what it does not want to do.

Your body wants to do the most efficient thing possible, dump all that excess weight, which includes muscle.

 

[jJjburton]

The cut is made in the kitchen.

And to some extent on the step mill.

The muscle is held on to by hormones signaling the body to hold on and high protein signaling the body to keep the muscles adapted to this heavy ass resistance training that is still battering me despite being on the edge of starvation mode.


"Starving and cardio? WTF?" <---- that is what your body is saying.

Your body needs the hormones to tell it to do what it does not want to do.

Your body wants to do the most efficient thing possible, dump all that excess weight, which includes muscle.

Even when on TRT still use zero test? I am on TRT for life.

I totally get what your saying

my maintenence i am going to run should be 3500 cals with 380 protein, 300 carbs, 90 fats. Going to try this out. And stay here for a while. While on TRT

 

[jJjburton]

I would stick with your current plan, except I would not be cutting on 400 or 200. As I said above, once I held on to the weight for a while, I would take a break. That means no hormones. If you are older, that means 100 mg of test a week to maybe 200mg of test a week (I am not being hypocritical, I took a break recently on 0 and now am on 75-150 mg a week for a bit). Get healthy. Give your heart a break. Run blood tests. Check that all is well (cholesterol, liver and kidney markers, blood pressure, etc). Do that for however long it takes for you to be healthy and to fit your personal risk tolerance (this is all a risk).

Then I would run a real cut, with hormones high enough to hold on to all of your lean mass or as much as humanly possible. That is probably not 400 or 200 of test unless you just do not have much lean mass hiding under the body fat.

Ok will be doing this.

 

[jJjburton]

Cruising for a week, lost 2 lbs on my macro split. 350 protei , 300 carbs, 90 fats. Will stay like this for 2 more weeks then re evaluate.

 

[jJjburton]

Getting hgh. Going to start at 1 iu for a week, then up to 2 ius a week the. Keep it at 3 iu a week, until i am done, maybe ordering more if all goes well. Reason for going slow is the lethargy i have got from it before. Starting with my trt dose. So my trt will be 200 mg a week and 1-3 ius a day. Until my next blast 6-8 weeks from nlw lr when I hit the bf i desire. Cant het bloods in my state anymore so flying blind.

unless i can go to a trt doctor and lower my dose or not take trt for 3 weeks and get it scripted which might be smart.

going to use it before as fasted cardio.

my baseline igf 1 was like 180. Hence why 2 ius for me may be dumb.

after 2 months will check bg.

 

[jJjburton]

The cut is made in the kitchen.

And to some extent on the step mill.

The muscle is held on to by hormones signaling the body to hold on and high protein signaling the body to keep the muscles adapted to this heavy ass resistance training that is still battering me despite being on the edge of starvation mode.


"Starving and cardio? WTF?" <---- that is what your body is saying.

Your body needs the hormones to tell it to do what it does not want to do.

Your body wants to do the most efficient thing possible, dump all that excess weight, which includes muscle.

How much time after you pin hgh should you do fasted cardio?

how long post injection should you eat?

should you only eat protein for your first meal?

going to read the articles here also on hgh and fat loss

 

[malfeasance]

How much time after you pin hgh should you do fasted cardio?

Never timed it. Inject upon waking, get ready, drive to gym and hit step mill.

how long post injection should you eat?

Never timed that, either.

should you only eat protein for your first meal?

I ate oats with my first meal and chopped up a Gala apple in the oats for flavor along with cinnamon (along with eggs, 6-8 whole eggs at the beginning, 2 whole eggs and egg whites toward the end)

 

[malfeasance]

You might be over thinking this. A little.

 

[jJjburton]

You might be over thinking this. A little.

Well what i read was that having carbs right after hgh injection causes BG spike?

so its ideal to wait 2 hours post injection to eat carbs.

also doing cardio still fasted post hgh injection was the best for fat loss.

 

[jJjburton]

12/11

Have lost 3 lbs thats all so far. But only eating at maintenence then the fasted am cardio and workingout is causing the weight loss, plus water.

going to eat and exercise like this for 4 weeks.

Amfasted cardio
Pm weight lifting

200 mg test C pinned once a week.

going to eat

350 protein 300 carbs and 90 fats.

eating the carbs more so around my workout.

Getting my hgh in a couple days.

so then will be doing
Hgh upon waking then I have a treadmil and doing an incline walk for 10 minutes then 15 minutes and 20 minutes every 2 weeks increasing the time. Doing LISS cardio since thats where fat utilization is best.

not sure if its better to do fasted cardio ed or 3 times a week.
Should hgh and fasted cardio be done every morning? For beat results.

Was going to do this cycle in 6-8 weeks.

test C- 400 or 600 mg
EQ - 400 mg
Dhb - 300 mg

not sure about the length of this cycle yet. But there will be leaner gains/cut.