Holy shit Brother. That's heavy. Even now though, never give up. Still, there are things you can do to improve things. Stay positive, stay motivated. Learn everything you can, and execute. Never give up. You can do this. You know you can.
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Astartes
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Jesus. You shame me
As far as docs are concerned obesity is the same whether it's muscle or fat. The heart still has to work as hard for 250lbs of muscle as it does for 250lbs of fatass, probably even harder for the 250lbs of muscle . I was considered obese even at 13% bf.
So true! Higher volumetric flowrate. Often combined with higher whole blood viscosity ~f(Hct, plasma viscosity).
laclark89
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laclark89
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With close to 30 bmi* that’s what my dr’s say then they see me with my shirt off. Or look up my gown. But ur right for sure they court as being obese either way. I think it’s more of a height to weight bs ratio they go off.
Then high volumetric flow and plasma viscosity. Please talk in normal English that we all can understand and relate to. At least us idiots.
More muscle, more blood volume. More blood your heart has to move every minute.
Combine that with elevated Hct in many muscle heads. Thicker blood so more shear stress on the endothelium.
TLDR: more wear and tear on the cardiovascular system.
On top of that the direct effect on androgen abuse on the heart.
malfeasance
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This is why I dropped under 250 and I am in the 220s now.
In my late 50s, I know I probably need to drop more.
In my late 50s, I know I probably need to drop more.
Ok, well either a miracle has happened or the VA docs are complete idiots. I decided to go with a cardiologist outside the VA for treatment.
I have completely recovered! My hearts left ventricle is no longer enlarged! My hearts ejection fraction has gone from 34% to 56-60%, which is better than average for my age.
So I've been completely out of the gym for 7 months... no training at all! I've been on 100mg of sustanon every 10 days.
I decided to take advantage and lean up a bit. I currently weigh 215-220lbs... depends on the day. Bf % has dropped to about 12% without trying.
I'm gonna start back at the gym soon. My new cycle will be 200mg sustanon 125mg masteron enanthate per week. I will NOT be going over this dose. I will do this for a max of 20 weeks per year, then back to 100mg sustanon every 10 days.
I'm diabetic and also have a neurological disorder, so I still suffer from nerve damage in my belly. So even with a reduced waist size I still have slight turtle shell abs. I guess I need to just be thankful for a man in his 50s.
I believe 220lbs ripped is a new goal. No more being 257 lbs at 5'9" anymore. But thats ok. I built a good base before ever using gear and muscle memory is a beautiful thing.
LOOKS LIKE IM BACK...JUST GONNA BE A LIGHTER ME.
It's time to get some glycogen back into these flat muscles. Then I can't wait for that semi-pump one carries when their muscle groups are in a constant state of repair and full! For me that means, in 6 weeks, I'll add at least 7 lbs of much needed water in these muscles, then drop down to at least 10% bf. 215-220lbs 10% bf at 5'9" will come quickly... yes!
I have completely recovered! My hearts left ventricle is no longer enlarged! My hearts ejection fraction has gone from 34% to 56-60%, which is better than average for my age.
So I've been completely out of the gym for 7 months... no training at all! I've been on 100mg of sustanon every 10 days.
I decided to take advantage and lean up a bit. I currently weigh 215-220lbs... depends on the day. Bf % has dropped to about 12% without trying.
I'm gonna start back at the gym soon. My new cycle will be 200mg sustanon 125mg masteron enanthate per week. I will NOT be going over this dose. I will do this for a max of 20 weeks per year, then back to 100mg sustanon every 10 days.
I'm diabetic and also have a neurological disorder, so I still suffer from nerve damage in my belly. So even with a reduced waist size I still have slight turtle shell abs. I guess I need to just be thankful for a man in his 50s.
I believe 220lbs ripped is a new goal. No more being 257 lbs at 5'9" anymore. But thats ok. I built a good base before ever using gear and muscle memory is a beautiful thing.
LOOKS LIKE IM BACK...JUST GONNA BE A LIGHTER ME.
It's time to get some glycogen back into these flat muscles. Then I can't wait for that semi-pump one carries when their muscle groups are in a constant state of repair and full! For me that means, in 6 weeks, I'll add at least 7 lbs of much needed water in these muscles, then drop down to at least 10% bf. 215-220lbs 10% bf at 5'9" will come quickly... yes!
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Ghoul
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What meds did they have you on? Quite
a few can reverse LVH and heart failure.
Assuming you got an accurate diagnosis to begin with.
Great news either way.
At 54, for me, I decided two years ago to make what you've outlined as your goal my goal. For some, and I'm one of them, you eventually have to adjust your goals. For 3 and a half decades for me it was grow, grow and be the biggest M'fer in the room. Now I've completely reversed my mindset and envision myself as lean and mean.
Over the past two years I've gone from 248 to 213. I actually am enjoying it. It's a new goal to strive for, which is the most important part for me.
Over the past two years I've gone from 248 to 213. I actually am enjoying it. It's a new goal to strive for, which is the most important part for me.
explodingHeart
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You mean something like a heart selective beta blocker? Or just taking stress off the heart by weighing less?
But I'm assuming a stiff plaque filled heart can't really be fixed as plaque reversal is extremely rare, right?
(I have no heart problems, just genuinely curious)
Ghoul
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If it's HFrEF (Heart failure with reduced Ejection Fraction), Ejection Fraction under 40%, the kind most commonly associated with LVH, bodybuilding, sleep apnea. steroids, GH, insulin, clen, coke, etc, the combo of:
Entresto. - (sacubutiril/valsartan)
Dapagliflozin. - SGLT2
Carvedilol - Beta blocker
Spironolactone - Mineralocorticoid Receptor Antagonist (reverses fibrosis stiffening heart)
Can raise EF from 25% to over 50% (low hormonal or normal), and reverse remodeling to the point the heart looks and functions normally on imaging within a year,
I'm just wondering if he was already on any of these when he got diagnosed, or was put on any that might help explain his rapid recovery.
bananafeet
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Is there anything special about that beta blocker? Or would metoprolol or propranolol work as well?
Cool list thanks for sharing. I sent it to a mate with reduced ejection fraction and LVH.
I think Nebi as Beta blocker might be more effective, seen case 5-10mg very run. Also Injectable Carnitine is suggest to be of help for LVH + high doses of Ubiquinol
BamaCrazy
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Taking all three of those now. More to prevent future problems.
BigDadd7
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For me, it's entresto, metropolol, and spironolactone. Brought me from low 30s to high 40s.
Oldhand
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Awesome. You might end up liking this lower weight. As I got older I moved from 240 to 200. I honestly like it. Even though the power/size is gone, I just FEEL better.
GL I hope it works out for you
GL I hope it works out for you
I would theorise that minus meds, the mechanical action of staying away from the gym and not forcing the heart to do extra work. plus the drop in weight will cause some improvement.
Metoprolol and sacubitril/valsartan. My cardio doc tried to put me on one other but I refused. I researched all of them before taking and the 3rd one she wanted me on was basically an anti-androgen. I'm very glad I researched it!
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