Tired on Tren?

[LifeSize]

I'm on 500mg Test a week along with 400mg Tren. I take the tren 100mg EOD and I'm doing 250mg of Test every 3rd day.. It was actually 125mg of Test every 100mg of Tren, then last week I switched to Mon/Thur Test shots - still keeping the Tren at EOD, and this week I have done Test on Mon, Thur (same as last week) but I plan to do another 1cc on Sun, and continue with E3D injections of Test. This gives me a wee bit more than 500mg a week..

I'm getting great workouts, I'm fucking dead tired, drenched, and shaking in 45 minutes.. But I used to do 3hr workouts 4-5 days a week + cardio, then it turned to like 2hr workouts 4 days a week, now i'm down to like an hour a day, 4 days on 1 day off..

I haven't done cardio at all this cycle, feel sluggish, my drive is there - but only when I'm already knee deep in my pain. It's not that drive to get in there, tear it up, push hard no matter what.. It's more of a "you will finish because otherwise you're a pussy"..

I took yesterday off, taking today off also.. I will probably change my routine some and my workout schedule..

I know it's expected with the cycle i'm on, but damn.. Just had to comment..

 

[Lizard King]

Tren always has drained me in the past but you can't beat the strength gains from it. I couldn't imagine being in the gym 3 hours though, I can barely stand the people in there for the 1 - 1 1/2 hours I'm there

 

[jasthace]

Trens got its down sides for sure,are you getting puffed{short of breath} easliy?

 

[LifeSize]

Trens got its down sides for sure,are you getting puffed{short of breath} easliy?

yea, 5 minutes of intermediate cardio has me huffing, puffing and sweating.. but like i'm fine during weight training or sex, early morning i have a lot of wind too..

would upping the test help?

im wondering if all this dostinex and arimidex is hindering my gains :\

 

[jasthace]

I dont think upping the test will help,at the moment I'm running 400 test e and 100 tren a eod {plus 100-150 drol ed}
I'm getting short of breath on my heavy exercises,{I'm not doing cardio at the moment}
I think its{tren} one of those things the body gets used to.

 

[LifeSize]

I dont think upping the test will help,at the moment I'm running 400 test e and 100 tren a eod {plus 100-150 drol ed}
I'm getting short of breath on my heavy exercises,{I'm not doing cardio at the moment}
I think its{tren} one of those things the body gets used to.

it was better before, shittier now that it's week 5..

i was thinking about bumping up my dose to 100mg ED.. its a home brew so its probably not really 100mg..

 

[jasthace]

it was better before, shittier now that it's week 5..

i was thinking about bumping up my dose to 100mg ED.. its a home brew so its probably not really 100mg..

Ha ha, I like your style
I hope you've got plenty of bedsheets

 

[LifeSize]

Ha ha, I like your style
I hope you've got plenty of bedsheets

I mean I can't be that crazy, I've had virtually no sides other than strength and some mild aggression... Lean mass is probably up too.. I think it would be worth it, I'm not seeing those drastic composition changes people see.. im 5 weeks in and it's my first cycle..

I think i'm going for it.. I'll let you know how well my style works out for me

 

[jasthace]

Yeah let us know how that goes.

3 weeks ago I doubled my Test E added Tren A and throw in some anadrol with slin shots post W/O.
17.6 lb up now with one more week of drol and slin.
Condition is still good and should become real good after I drop the drol and then run the tren for a further two weeks,with two weeks of clen at the end.

 

[Thickneck]

I would guess you are lifting alot harder on your cycle .Hence it takes a toll. Get more sleep and nutrients . My buddy used to say ,look at a baby it gets all that protein and sleeps alot and GROWS >

 

[elgaringo]

I mean I can't be that crazy, I've had virtually no sides other than strength and some mild aggression... Lean mass is probably up too.. I think it would be worth it, I'm not seeing those drastic composition changes people see.. im 5 weeks in and it's my first cycle..

I think i'm going for it.. I'll let you know how well my style works out for me

I say try it and if you feel its too much then cut down I would. I personally dont need a lot of tren for good results cos in 2 weeks of 75mg of trena eod, 500mg of sust a week and 60mg of tbol ed I have gained 10 lbs of lean gains. I even do 15 minutes of cardio bofore every workout. but im eating a lot of food and its all clean

 

[LifeSize]

yea I'm just feeling a bit winded when i do something strenuous.. I've taken these last two days off and slept like a bear. i think i was deprived, I get like 5hrs a night average think I pulled in like 19hrs of sleep these last 48hrs..

Today I injected another 1ml in my right quad.. It's been 2hrs.. what I notice? quite a bit more vascularity, pump, and hardness.. fucking nuts how fast it happened.. I feel like I just stepped out of the gym..

 

[masterpl]

yea I'm just feeling a bit winded when i do something strenuous.. I've taken these last two days off and slept like a bear. i think i was deprived, I get like 5hrs a night average think I pulled in like 19hrs of sleep these last 48hrs..

Today I injected another 1ml in my right quad.. It's been 2hrs.. what I notice? quite a bit more vascularity, pump, and hardness.. fucking nuts how fast it happened.. I feel like I just stepped out of the gym..

Do you have a lot of localized pain and swelling with the homebrew? I've made 3 batches from kits and tried to follow the instructions I had as close as possible. I could tolerate it well in the glutes (only mild swelling and pain there). But in the quads I had enough pain and swelling to make squats difficult. Bis and tris were even worse and I will never stick in my calf again. I limped for a week. I could just use the glutes but I hate to stick the same sites that often. Is the pain and swelling normal with kit made batches or am I doing something to mess mine up? Any feedback is appreciated. P.S. I've used it transdermal also and feel like I got pretty good results but it's a pain in the butt and my wife hates the DMSO smell. Also, each time I've used it it's been stacked with Test E and more recently Test C. One more thing. Do you refrigerate the finished product?

 

[LifeSize]

Do you have a lot of localized pain and swelling with the homebrew? I've made 3 batches from kits and tried to follow the instructions I had as close as possible. I could tolerate it well in the glutes (only mild swelling and pain there). But in the quads I had enough pain and swelling to make squats difficult. Bis and tris were even worse and I will never stick in my calf again. I limped for a week. I could just use the glutes but I hate to stick the same sites that often. Is the pain and swelling normal with kit made batches or am I doing something to mess mine up? Any feedback is appreciated. P.S. I've used it transdermal also and feel like I got pretty good results but it's a pain in the butt and my wife hates the DMSO smell. Also, each time I've used it it's been stacked with Test E and more recently Test C. One more thing. Do you refrigerate the finished product?

Depends on where I shoot. I like to shoot at the ends of the quad heads near the ligaments.. Sometimes I'm a little too close to the ligament, or go too far into a muscle, I tend to get a tightness in the muscle. I guess you can say it's slightly swollen. I mean it doesn't keep me from squatting, but it does make sitting slower. I think it depends on the oil and alcohol ratio your kit came with, and the numbers you worked when you made your brew. I used a total of 40ml of fluid, bringing my concentration to 100mg/mL. That's only 24.20ml of Oil added to my dissolved pellet solution...hypothetically speaking

So for a 4g kit, you would use two cartridges, the entire dissolving solution provided, and 24.20ml of oil.. This will give you 100mg/mL and is still a very thick product.. You could experiment and use obtain your own oil. Grapeseed, Safflower, Peanut, etc..

When I started my cycle I was doing 1mL of Tren Ace along with 0.5ml of Test Cyp EOD.. Those injections would hurt, sometimes they wouldn't but mostly they would no matter where I put em. It was a pain that almost felt like something hot/stinging running along the insides of my legs - but only post injection for a few hours. Sometimes I would get extreme tightness in my quads. A couple of weeks ago I stopped with the EOD shots of Test/Tren and started doing 1ml of Tren ED, and Test Enan 1ml every 3rd day. I've experienced no pains with the Tren or Test shots, neither on their own, or combined. I notice my Cyp is much more thinner than the Enan which leads me to believe the type of oil and volume of BA in it are the reason for the pain in comparison to the Enan.

A little update, I'm noticing a physical difference on 1ml a day.. I'm seeing more definition in my quads, obliques, and i'm down 4lbs back to 220lbs. I have been taking some OTC Sundown "All Natural Water Pills", twice a day. Ive been drinking 1 or more gallons of water.. Bloats been under control, I even had pizza last night - two measly slices but still sodium central. Nipples feel good, so I'll continue to keep the Arimidex use to a minimal, been about 5 days since I take any. I'm also not taking my Dostinex just because I want to see what it's like to not run it. They say it makes sex great, well Ive been running it from the start of my cycle so i'm not so sure what it's doing.. Been 6 days since I take any - still beating those skins like a pro..

I'm wondering how I can tell if I have too much progesterone and should start the Dost again.. I don't want it to hinder gains.

 

[masterpl]

Thanks for the reply back Lifesize. I'll try the suggestions when I try to make another batch!

 

[oscarpalamino]

Re: Tired on Tren? From the Profiles

"In my experience with Trenbolone Enanthate, it is a very potent cutting agent, and will even help keep you lean while on a bulking cycle (it did for me, anyway). However, it will also cause some undesirable effects as well. It can cause insomnia and night sweats, as well as possible anxiety. It seems to not cause tren cough (coughing associated with Trenbolone Acetate) but still seems to reduce cardiovascular ability

If youre not a competitive athlete, this is a really great drug. Bodybuilders love the stuff, and we see it in many pre-contest cycles now-a-days. Athletes need to avoid it, however, because it simply reduces cardiovascular output too greatly, probably due to prostaglandin induced bronchial constriction."

Thats from the Meso Trenbolone Enanthate Profile. That would probably explain why you are tired and can't really do cardio.

If the tren is having an adverse effect on your breathing then you also may not be getting the full benefit of sleeping. It would be similar to sleep apnea. Sleeping all the time but still tired.

If that's the case, then it will probably continue until you are off the tren.

 

[Fraggle]

You're doing something wrong if it hurts.

I've never had ANY pain from tren ace. Delts should be a breeze. Make sure you keep the dosing to <100mg/ml, preferably closer to 80mg/ml. Any higher and it requires far to much benzyl alcohol to keep it in solution.

If you want specifics, PM me and I'll help as much as possible.

Fraggle