To Meso Vets

Not trying to start a flame war but this may not have been naps error could have been a needle sterility issue. That hair could have been in a needle and ended up in the vial.

Just looking at every possible angle.
 
Not trying to start a flame war but this may not have been naps error could have been a needle sterility issue. That hair could have been in a needle and ended up in the vial.

Just looking at every possible angle.

Absolutely. I can give you his injection protocol.

He alcohol swabs the top of the bottle and the injection site. He uses a new needle for the draw and injection. He opened the package, removed cap and draws out 1cc then does the injection. He did the same exact procedure for the second injection.

I asked if he drew any air into the needle before putting it into the bottle to draw out his dose. He said he didnt because it was a new bottle. He said he doesnt need to introduce any air into the bottle till its down a few cc's and creating a vacuum.

This makes it virtually impossible to introduce the 'hair' into the bottle. Nor does it explain both injection spots becoming infected.

Speaking with the doctor he said it was highly unlikely that any residual bacteria on the skin after the alcohol swab would cause such a severe infection so quickly and said it was most likely a bacteria contaminated bottle but it would need to be tested to know for sure.

The needles he was using were individually packaged BD's.
 
Update to my review naps came through my b12 and Tamiflu I ordered some odd things because they're hard to find who doesn't want a little b12. So far he's got me wanting to order more pharma gear in would place a future order for sure.. He has my seal of approval.
 
Also with all this complaining of sterile products just ordered pharmaceutical grade products and you won't have that issue so quit complaining and stop ordering ugl stuff pay more or deal with the problems ugls have. Most of these guys are working out of the basement with third world country what did you expect did you expect it to be a lab? So let's not beat a dead horse.
 
Also with all this complaining of sterile products just ordered pharmaceutical grade products and you won't have that issue so quit complaining and stop ordering ugl stuff pay more or deal with the problems ugls have. Most of these guys are working out of the basement with third world country what did you expect did you expect it to be a lab? So let's not beat a dead horse.

Geneza is working out of their basement? Wow, you really have no idea what youre talking about do you?

55 people dead from injections of a FDA regulated US based pharmaceutical companies compound.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/806977

Im sorry what were you saying again?
 
Wow 55 dead out of a billion injections a year sound less than even .01 percent of 1% do the math billions of injections a year and your going to worry about 55 people ok maybe I won't cross the street either a car might run me over really you girls or juiced up monkeys?
 
Also with all this complaining of sterile products just ordered pharmaceutical grade products and you won't have that issue so quit complaining and stop ordering ugl stuff pay more or deal with the problems ugls have. Most of these guys are working out of the basement with third world country what did you expect did you expect it to be a lab? So let's not beat a dead horse.

I agree with you that you can avoid these problems if you use pharm grade. Note that I said "IF." It's a big "if" because unless you are using a *very* trusted source, there is NO guarantee you're getting legitimate pharm grade product - NONE. It could very well be counterfeit ugl gear with the only differance being that you paid pharm grade prices.

Sterility concerns is one of the issues I have with Meso members giving these new fly-by-night operators a shot by trying their product. Using orals from unknown ugls is one thing but injecting oils is risky in the extreme, IMO.

Regardless, I wouldn't knock anybody complaining about dirty gear - ugl or pharm grade. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the gear you buy isn't going to make you sick. Don't make this about the user.

Note: I'm not saying Naps' gear was the source of the infection in question. Hopefully that will be confirmed - one way or the other - by lab analysis.

Regards
CBS
 
Wow 55 dead out of a billion injections a year sound less than even .01 percent of 1% do the math billions of injections a year and your going to worry about 55 people ok maybe I won't cross the street either a car might run me over really you girls or juiced up monkeys?

Wow you are so harcore...and good at math.:rolleyes:

Anyways, my buddy is out of surgery and going good.

I asked the Doc if he would throw some of the oil on an agar growth plate and throw it in the incubator and see what grows. He took a sample and said he would see. (Thanks to Dr Jim for the advice.)

I let him know you guys were all pulling for him. Thanks again for the support and Ill continue to keep you all updated.
 
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Absolutely. I can give you his injection protocol.

He alcohol swabs the top of the bottle and the injection site. He uses a new needle for the draw and injection. He opened the package, removed cap and draws out 1cc then does the injection. He did the same exact procedure for the second injection.

I asked if he drew any air into the needle before putting it into the bottle to draw out his dose. He said he didnt because it was a new bottle. He said he doesnt need to introduce any air into the bottle till its down a few cc's and creating a vacuum.

This makes it virtually impossible to introduce the 'hair' into the bottle. Nor does it explain both injection spots becoming infected.

Speaking with the doctor he said it was highly unlikely that any residual bacteria on the skin after the alcohol swab would cause such a severe infection so quickly and said it was most likely a bacteria contaminated bottle but it would need to be tested to know for sure.

The needles he was using were individually packaged BD's.

Did you say you're trying to get that vial tested Chase??
 
Infection is a risk we all take every time we pin, regardless of what we are pinning.
That doesn't mean it's cool to have floaters in your gear but it's a risk every time you break the skin.

Still no word from naps?
 
Still no word from naps?

No, nothing yet. He hasnt logged in here since the 13th so he wouldnt have gotten my PMs.

I submitted a ticket through the Naps website and tried through their chat service to notify them of the situation. I only got the run around and no replies.

Obviously I wanted to discuss this with Naps but after discussing the situation with Millard we felt it was important enough to post up what I knew now.

I will let you know what Naps has to say when he finally gets ahold of me.
 
I doubt these UGLs are brewing out
Of bathtubs, in 3rd world countries..

The toilet is much more convenient


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Went and looked what else I had from geneza! I had a tren a nast and a prop and the prop had crystals in it! Kinda like it was frozen but its 45 degrees outside! Any ideas?
 

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