Too much Primo?? Hair is thinning!!!

[Ghoul]

What about minoxidil side effect of growing more body hair? Anyone experiencing that at 2.5mg ED?

On 5mg I grow more body hair, especially on my back. Just get a Backblade and literally 5 minutes once a month takes care of it.

I'll take better hair on top and shave off the excess elsewhere, than give up the improvement Minox provides.

The good(potentially) thing about that effect is it also improves your beard, making it fuller and darker.

 

[Sicsemptyran]

On the flip side, finasteride and dutasteride and lower body hair growth which I don’t mind at all. Never grew much body hair but my facial hair grows comically fast. For a guy who stays perpetually clean shaven it’s a welcome side effect that I only shave 3-5 times a week now instead of every day and twice if I’m headed to an evening event.

 

[Sampei]

On 5mg I grow more body hair, especially on my back. Just get a Backblade and literally 5 minutes once a month takes care of it.

I'll take better hair on top and shave off the excess elsewhere, than give up the improvement Minox provides.

The good(potentially) thing about that effect is it also improves your beard, making it fuller and darker.

What about 2.5mg any idea if it would grow my body hair more?

I have already a super thick beard don't need help on that department, however I don't want anymore body hair as I'm already spending thousand in lasering my whole upper body trying to eradicate any body hair xD

Btw just bought 90 0.5mg dutasteride pills for 19 euro xD

1 year almost supply at 2x a week for just 19 euro fuck me I didn't start earlier

 

[Ghoul]

What about 2.5mg any idea if it would grow my body hair more?

I have already a super thick beard don't need help on that department, however I don't want anymore body hair as I'm already spending thousand in lasering my whole upper body trying to eradicate any body hair xD

Btw just bought 90 0.5mg dutasteride pills for 19 euro xD

1 year almost supply at 2x a week for just 19 euro fuck me I didn't start earlier

I'm sure there was more growth at 2.5 as well, it's not like Minox is selective for follicles on the head. But for me, it was barely noticeable at that dose,

See, it's working great

 

[douster4]

FFS use the clinically proven most effective protocol. Boring, slow, but it works (to varying degrees, as well as anything can) for every case of MBP.

Fin (or Dut if necessary, rare) and oral Minoxidil. That does 95% of heavy lifting of anti-balding treatment.

After the initial shed period, if you're lucky, within 6 months of consistant use, you'll reverse most of the damage,

If you want to go further, 2x week 2% Ketoconozole shampoo left in for 5 minutes will help somewhat.

Beyond that, all the "reinventing the wheel" stuff that's borne of desperation and panic, micro needling, laser caps, RU, etc offer diminishing returns.

Two pills daily is cheap, easy, simple, effective and the routine you're most likely to stick to in the long term, which it's important since long term consistency is crucial.

Fin/dut wont help with primo, only test. Primo doesnt convert to DHT, it already is DHT. Fin/dut only reduces the conversion of test to dht.

 

[Ghoul]

Fin/dut wont help with primo, only test. Primo doesnt convert to DHT, it already is DHT. Fin/dut only reduces the conversion of test to dht.

By reducing test to DHT conversion you're lowering the total level DHT follicles are exposed to.

In other words. Using arbitrary numbers, if your baseline DHT is 10, and some exogenous DHT based compound brings it to 15, at which point hair loss accelerates rapidly, if a 5-AR inhibitor lowers your baseline DHT by 5 you're back to where you were before beginning the cycle.

Obviously it would be difficult to know if lowering baseline DHT is "enough" to offset damage from Primo use, but it certainly helps.

Everything related to hair preservation is incremental. Doing something is better than nothing. If you can slow it down, perhaps by the time you have significant loss a cure, like hair follicle cloning, will be available.

 

[Sicsemptyran]

By reducing test to DHT conversion you're lowering the total level DHT follicles are exposed to.

In other words. Using arbitrary numbers, if your baseline DHT is 10, and some exogenous DHT based compound brings it to 15, at which point hair loss accelerates rapidly, if a 5-AR inhibitor lowers your baseline DHT by 5 you're back to where you were before beginning the cycle.

Obviously it would be difficult to know if lowering baseline DHT is "enough" to offset damage from Primo use, but it certainly helps,

Everything related to hair preservation is incremental. Doing something is better than nothing. If you can slow it down, perhaps by the time you have significant loss a cure, like hair follicle cloning, will be available.

I think it really can’t be understated how DHT is to hair loss what the Santa Ana Winds are to the LA wildfires, there is no single bigger contributor.

Lowering DHT will always lower the single biggest contributor to hair loss. Due to its mechanism and concentration in the hair follicle, just as a illustration, if you were running test only and had a serum TT of 3000ng/dl but are running dutasteride, you have less androgen load on that follicle than a natty at 700ng/dl total test with no 5-AR Inhibition.

Even when running primo/mast/etc, removing DHT will always help with hair loss.

 

[MAGA]

Fin/dut wont help with primo, only test. Primo doesnt convert to DHT, it already is DHT. Fin/dut only reduces the conversion of test to dht.

Primo isn't DHT. DHT is DHT.
Primo is a derivative of DHT (5ar doesn't act on it anymore and the andorgencity is much lower)

 

[douster4]

Primo isn't DHT. DHT is DHT.
Primo is a derivative of DHT (5ar doesn't act on it anymore and the andorgencity is much lower)

I disagree. Im running sdrol and shedding like crazy as well as receding even though its androgenicity is much much lower than test ON PAPER. Its anabolic:androgenicity ratio is based on rats, AND it doesnt take into account that the androgen receptors is more receptive to sdrol.
Im running test at 100mg/week, so there isn't much DHT conversion leading to balding, but rather the DHT-derivative(sdrol) which is acting on my hair follicles.

By reducing test to DHT conversion you're lowering the total level DHT follicles are exposed to.

In other words. Using arbitrary numbers, if your baseline DHT is 10, and some exogenous DHT based compound brings it to 15, at which point hair loss accelerates rapidly, if a 5-AR inhibitor lowers your baseline DHT by 5 you're back to where you were before beginning the cycle.

Obviously it would be difficult to know if lowering baseline DHT is "enough" to offset damage from Primo use, but it certainly helps.

Everything related to hair preservation is incremental. Doing something is better than nothing. If you can slow it down, perhaps by the time you have significant loss a cure, like hair follicle cloning, will be available.

Your baseline comparison is way off the scale. If the baseline was 10, then adding sdrol or any DHT-derivative to the mix would likely take it to 100 or so. It doesn't make sense to tell people to take fin/dut to reduce hair shedding when DHT-derivatives is whats causing it. Fin/dut ONLY helps minimise sides from testosterone.


If it wasnt for sdrol, i'd have a good amount of hair till my 70's even[looking at genes].

 

[MAGA]

I disagree. Im running sdrol and shedding like crazy as well as receding even though its androgenicity is much much lower than test ON PAPER. Its anabolic:androgenicity ratio is based on rats, AND it doesnt take into account that the androgen receptors is more receptive to sdrol.
Im running test at 100mg/week, so there isn't much DHT conversion leading to balding, but rather the DHT-derivative(sdrol) which is acting on my hair follicles.

Your baseline comparison is way off the scale. If the baseline was 10, then adding sdrol or any DHT-derivative to the mix would likely take it to 100 or so. It doesn't make sense to tell people to take fin/dut to reduce hair shedding when DHT-derivatives is whats causing it. Fin/dut ONLY helps minimise sides from testosterone.


If it wasnt for sdrol, i'd have a good amount of hair till my 70's even[looking at genes].

so you're running Test and Sdrol and blaming the Sdrol for your hair loss and not the Test that actually converts to DHT? Are you on a 5AR too?

Sdrol is actually known to be pretty hair safe, it's just the liver toxicity that means you can't run it for very long at high doses. I use injectable sdrol pre-workout and its fantastic. I don't need much to get its affect as it's more bioavailable in that form.

 

[douster4]

so you're running Test and Sdrol and blaming the Sdrol for your hair loss and not the Test that actually converts to DHT? Are you on a 5AR too?

Sdrol is actually known to be pretty hair safe, it's just the liver toxicity that means you can't run it for very long at high doses. I use injectable sdrol pre-workout and its fantastic. I don't need much to get its affect as it's more bioavailable in that form.

Sdrol isnt hair safe at all. Im blaming the sdrol and not the DHT from Test BECAUSE the amount of DHT I receive from test is pretty equivalent to what I would be exposed to naturally. And I wouldnt be balding from those naturally. My grandad from mums side has a full head of hair.

as for test, i had been doing 200mg/wk for a year and then past few months ive been doing 100 per week.



sdrol isnt hairsafe. this
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSbl4NQsuPY

and many other anecdotes on the web. Search it up.

 

[MAGA]

Sdrol isnt hair safe at all. Im blaming the sdrol and not the DHT from Test BECAUSE the amount of DHT I receive from test is pretty equivalent to what I would be exposed to naturally. And I wouldnt be balding from those naturally. My grandad from mums side has a full head of hair.

as for test, i had been doing 200mg/wk for a year and then past few months ive been doing 100 per week.



sdrol isnt hairsafe. this
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSbl4NQsuPY

and many other anecdotes on the web. Search it up.

Others say Sdrol is safe like MPMD, but my experience shows that it is for me anyway too.

If you’re not using a 5AR to protect from hair loss on Test and you’re losing hair (at whatever dosage you are on), you’re missing the lowest hanging fruit. Can’t be sooking about Sdrol when you’re leaving actual DHT run free. Who knows what level of DHT is needed for you at your point in life to trigger hairloss. I’d focus on that first.

 

[douster4]

Others say Sdrol is safe like MPMD, but my experience shows that it is for me anyway too.

If you’re not using a 5AR to protect from hair loss on Test and you’re losing hair (at whatever dosage you are on), you’re missing the lowest hanging fruit. Can’t be sooking about Sdrol when you’re leaving actual DHT run free. Who knows what level of DHT is needed for you at your point in life to trigger hairloss. I’d focus on that first.

I'll try getting fin. I just find it very hard to believe that being on TRT or TRT+ doses is enough to get MPB at my early 20s when my grandad from mums side has good hair. To look at the other side of my family, my dad and dads father have quite average hair genes. dad is in 60s, heavily balding, and grandad[dads dad] was completely bald at 70's. My mums dad has a lot of hair in his 70s.
Im just so conflicted. I've reduced sdrol dose to every 3 or 2 days anyway.
I wish I never started taking gear anyway, couldve easily gotten this much gains natty.

 

[Sicsemptyran]

You can't ignore the fact that rapid shedding can just be from body stress too. Many studies have shown a stressed animal can lose 70%+ of its hair temporarily.

You're on superdrol, which is a very "stressful" compound, absolutely could be causing hair loss through pathways other than the AR.

 

[MAGA]

Other pathways are also thyroid and/or low iron. Check those out too to cross off those possibilities too.

Otherwise, take a 5AR + minoxidil

 

[null88]

Has anyone measured their serum DHT while taking test? I wonder what DHT levels are when say taking 500mg test + finasteride

 

[connoristiny]

This might be too obvious to say, but I haven't seen it mentioned yet so I'll add it just in case.

5ARIs like Fin and Dutasteride won't protect you against hair loss from Primo and Var. All these drugs do is compete with androgens to bind the 5AR enzyme. But Primo and Var don't interact with 5AR in any meaningful way, so Fin/Dut only protect you from your test base converting to DHT, not your Primo/Var. Primo/Var don't convert into any other meaningfully active metabolites the way test does with DHT/E2. So you can't manipulate that aspect and are stuck dealing with Primo/Var in their "final form."

If you suspect that Primo is accelerating hair loss, you would need to use a topical anti-androgen to compete with the Primo for binding to your scalp androgen receptors. These are drugs like

RU58841	Limited human testing; experimental; thought to be the most effective of the bunch. Kinda sketchy.
Pyrilutamide (KX-826)	FDA approved for OTC sale as a cosmeceutical. Decent human testing that suggests reasonable efficacy, but some question marks do arise where it performed similar to placebo at some points.
Clascoterone (Breezula)	FDA approved for acne (Winlevi), pre-approval for androgenic alopecia. Haven't looked into efficacy for AGA.
Fluridil (Eucapil)	OTC in some EU countries. Never heard of it being used in US.

If you're not trying to go nuclear and take several drugs, the methodology @Ghoul is recommending is sound. Take a 5ARI, and that'll neutralize the DHT aspect of your test base, which significantly lower your total androgenic load on your scalp. The minoxidil will help to slowly regrow part of what you've lost since puberty.

But you wanna have "full coverage," (protect against Primo and other AAS besides test) ya gotta add a topical AA as well. The most effective (but def the most sketchy) is RU58841, and the least sketchy but not-likely-as-effective-as-RU option (FDA approved for OTC sale) is KX-826, which you can buy directly from the pharma company that made it, Kintor. Google it, I think Koshine is the store they sell it from. On Amazon too. Kinda expensive, but worth it if you don't wanna dip into the RU58841 experimentation.

However, legit miniaturization (the permanent, unreversible death of hair follicles) is unlikely to be noticeable so quickly and discretely even on a 12-week cycle. So it might just be the AI effects of Primo making your hair look weak and brittle from low e2. Fortunately, if this is the case, your hair will return to normal once your e2 normalizes. There's also telogen effluvium, which is temporary hair shedding from stress and shit like that, which as I understand it, is pretty common on cycle.

So most likely, this thinning you're noticing is probably temporary. But if you care about your hair, and you have any reason to believe you're genetically predisposed to male pattern baldness (most hispanic men are to some degree), then this is a good wake-up call to start figuring out how to protect yourself, especially if you plan to blast into the future.

Good luck bro.

Anyone have success with pyrilutamide?

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Primo is usual suspect for hair falling.
My hair actually started falling like crazy in my first 1g test cycle and I was 20 years old an older fella told me to wash my hair with Johnson baby shampoo, well I hadn’t anymore hair falling out even on very big cycles , when I increase my androgen load especially test/mast and if e2 are unmanaged I actually start shedding again but such a minuscule degree . Idk if this grandpa knew something but was 60+ years old with hair full of black thick hair and his advice actually worked very good for me.

 

[glpfun]

Post finasteride syndrome is psychosomatic it ain’t real cuz

 

[Warchild24]

Has anyone measured their serum DHT while taking test? I wonder what DHT levels are when say taking 500mg test + finasteride

Did you ever get your DHT measured while running the 500mg test? I'm curious about this too because I'm on Fin 1mg/daily while on TRT of 100mg/weekly. I recently had my DHT checked and I was at 27ng/dL, but this is only at my TRT dose.