Too Much Tren

[steelman]

As HDH was asking, and Dennis mentioned...I crashed big time on tren ace this week...I started a cycle of Test Enan and Tren Ace in the first week of March...My first go round with tren...things are going well...good gains, strength, and last week, things were really taking off...I was taking 75 mg of tren EOD and 250 mg of test twice a week...I had really found the sweet spot for me as far as the tren was concerned, but upped the dosage a bit last Friday to 100 mgs...The ugly chain of events began...during the weekend, the BP increased, and I began to have a small bout of itchy skin...mostly around my neck and head...Monday and Tuesday, it began to increase and I realize something is going wrong...I don't take anymore injections...not even test...Tuesday night, I felt like I was going to claw my way out of my own skin...I was itching all over like crazy...I eat Benadryl all night Tuesday to get the itching to stop...I never get to sleep that night, and the same chain of events happens Wednesday and Wednesday night...I lose my appetite from Tuesday and dont eat until today, but I still can't get ahold of myself...This has been the most dreadful experience for me in a long time...I felt totally helpless...I drank nothing but water the whole time, and watched that dark colored piss change to a more even and natural color....even my eyes seemed a bit jaundiced until today (I am blue eyed)...Scary as shit...

We all have said it before...more is not better, and I want everyone to know what I went through because of my willingness to step across the line, so to speak...This has not been fun, and I am not out of the woods yet....This will probably wreck my last 4 weeks of test cycle, as I have lost some serious weight already...Tren sure works, but find that level for you and be reasonable about it...It has taken several days to get this stuff out of my system...I am sure there is a lesson in here somewhere...Thanks for the help Dennis, you are the shit, bro!

 

[slick33158]

Shit bro, you just about scared me into taking tren out of my next cycle. I was planning on 100mgs EOD too. Yeah. they say that itching is a sign of too high of a red blood cell count, I cant remember the exact term for it but there is one. Also, yellowing in the eyes is one of the first signs of severe liver strain along with yellowing of the skin. Be carefull bro, thanks for the heads up. Luckily it was tren ace and not tren enanthate, then you'd have to go through that for a long time I though 50-100mgs of tren ace EOD was the norm, am I wrong or did you just have a uncommon reaction do you think?

 

[Gman2004]

wow that sucks bro. My last cycle I did Tren A 75mg ED and never had any problem. Glad you are ok now.

 

[steelman]

Its hard to say Slick....I have never had a side effect like this from Test...I can't even imagine one like this from a mild dose as 500 mgs a week....I think I just went a tad overboard on the tren and it did me in....Just be careful and reasonable...otherwise, you could walk in my shoes....I dont wish this on my worst enemies....It sucks a fly's ass...I'm not good , but I am getting better

 

[Beefy]

I don't think the itching is from high red blood cell count. That doesn't make sense to me. Sounds like pruritis. That's a crazy all over itching sensation caused by extreme liver toxicity. Jaundice usually comes with it. It pretty much means that your liver was AFU. Using nolva will also aggrevate the problem, as nolva is known to cause cholestatic liver disease. Hmm, let's see here.... Bitch tits or liver disease, which one do I want.....

Read this....
http://www.bcm.edu/gastro/DDC/grandrounds/UT/3-30-06/09-DISC.HTM

Tren probs...
http://www.asaiojournal.com/pt/re/asaio/abstract.00002480-200601000-00021.htm;jsessionid=Gw5NZW6JB7Sx1mBQFmZSlK8xgKGg71nl83RT2hTnl3pF1kQT3nTN!-1905490407!-949856144!8091!-1

Hope this never happens to me.....
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...tool=iconabstr&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum

 

[Beefy]

http://www.asaiojournal.com/pt/re/asaio/abstract.00002480-200601000-00021.htm;jsessionid=Gw6DxC91sCj1lRJ9rs7pyD66L2wv9XQLXHWG32shjphNxDRSWXjn!-1905490407!-949856144!8091!-1

Can't seem to get this link to work. Just copy and paste it if you want to read about a guy in his early 20's who nearly killed himself on tren.

 

[role model]

As HDH was asking, and Dennis mentioned...I crashed big time on tren ace this week...I started a cycle of Test Enan and Tren Ace in the first week of March...My first go round with tren...things are going well...good gains, strength, and last week, things were really taking off...I was taking 75 mg of tren EOD and 250 mg of test twice a week...I had really found the sweet spot for me as far as the tren was concerned, but upped the dosage a bit last Friday to 100 mgs...The ugly chain of events began...during the weekend, the BP increased, and I began to have a small bout of itchy skin...mostly around my neck and head...Monday and Tuesday, it began to increase and I realize something is going wrong...I don't take anymore injections...not even test...Tuesday night, I felt like I was going to claw my way out of my own skin...I was itching all over like crazy...I eat Benadryl all night Tuesday to get the itching to stop...I never get to sleep that night, and the same chain of events happens Wednesday and Wednesday night...I lose my appetite from Tuesday and dont eat until today, but I still can't get ahold of myself...This has been the most dreadful experience for me in a long time...I felt totally helpless...I drank nothing but water the whole time, and watched that dark colored piss change to a more even and natural color....even my eyes seemed a bit jaundiced until today (I am blue eyed)...Scary as shit...

We all have said it before...more is not better, and I want everyone to know what I went through because of my willingness to step across the line, so to speak...This has not been fun, and I am not out of the woods yet....This will probably wreck my last 4 weeks of test cycle, as I have lost some serious weight already...Tren sure works, but find that level for you and be reasonable about it...It has taken several days to get this stuff out of my system...I am sure there is a lesson in here somewhere...Thanks for the help Dennis, you are the shit, bro!

Tren A did almost the same shit to me but mine wasn't quite as bad. I just had the itchy skin and welts, I was only on 75mg 6days a week and it still happened. It lasted about 7-8 days for me then went away. I use only Tren E now and no problems @ 500mg a week.

 

[steelman]

Role Model.....did you continue finishing your cycle without the use of Tren, or did you cut yourself off till you felt better?....I am still trying to decide whether to stop the cycle all together or continue with the test only....I feel better today, but still feel I am several days away from getting in the weight room...

 

[HDH]

Make sure that you are feeling right. Your health is to important.

HDH

 

[Desibaba]

Sucks for you dude.I have taken 700 mgs of tren a week.Another than mood swings i really didnt feel anything else.Every night i would load up a syringe with 1 cc of test (250 mgs) and 1cc of tren acetate (100 mgs) before i went to bed.Transformed my body completely in a matter of weeks.I actually gained weight while loses inches off my gut

 

[jsupstarz]

If you are getting that bad and showing signs of jaundice, I would stop immediatley. If your liver is currently stressed and being damaged it takes much less now to get into SERIOUS liver problems. There is a thin line. Like the others said, none of this is worth it if you don't have your health, that is number 1.

 

[role model]

Role Model.....did you continue finishing your cycle without the use of Tren, or did you cut yourself off till you felt better?....I am still trying to decide whether to stop the cycle all together or continue with the test only....I feel better today, but still feel I am several days away from getting in the weight room...

I cut the use of Tren A for Four weeks, then restarted with Tren E. Don't forget your situation is much much worse than mine was, because I never missed a training day and never had discolored urine or eyes, all I had is what seemed to be an allergic reaction.

I want you to read this Tom Prince story called "To hell and back" This is a Flex magazine article, and as usual they clean up the steroid talk, but at the time he was on 300mg Tren A / day plus 12-16 ibuprofen a day. Needless to say It ended his career, it almost killed him.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_11_21/ai_111506233

 

[role model]

If you are getting that bad and showing signs of jaundice, I would stop immediatley. If your liver is currently stressed and being damaged it takes much less now to get into SERIOUS liver problems. There is a thin line. Like the others said, none of this is worth it if you don't have your health, that is number 1.

Your right, what good is a nice physique if your lying in the ICU. What did you mean by "it takes much less now" is it because of all the crap they put in our foods now days?

 

[steelman]

You guys have been a big help to me....my biggest problem right now seems to be itchy skin during bedtime now....It is still keeping me up at night quite a bit....Today will mark a week since my last injection of anything, and I have already accepted the fact that I will lose this cycle completely....but that is OK....I will bounce back after time...My BP is feeling much better and my eyes seems to be clearing...I am starting to eat again, and drinking lots of clear liquids, IE water, lime gatorade cut with water, and 7-UP...Believe it or not, 7-Up makes me feel better than anything..Late in the day, urine looks pretty normal but seems to build a darker color after nighttime due to more infrequent urination....I will have this beat if the itchy skin will go away now...I never realized that the dose of tren I was on would be so devastating, especially, considering how much others can take...I really appreciate the information and support!...Thanks so much

 

[dennis]

Would it help to go donate double rbc's today ???Would this help lower bp ?Steelman..sorry to hear you are still doing badly.At this point I would end my cycle if I were you.The problem is will nolva in 2 weeks hurt the liver ?You got me thinking twice about the ace for sept/oct like we discussed/think I might stick with tren enth.Since we were both rodeo athletes and raised around livestock do you ever wonder now how those calves must have felt when we were injecting them with fina ?

 

[jsupstarz]

Your right, what good is a nice physique if your lying in the ICU. What did you mean by "it takes much less now" is it because of all the crap they put in our foods now days?

When your liver is being damaged and you begin to so physical signs of liver damage, it is like your liver is a turtle stuck on it's back now, toxic things are not processed and damage it more exponetially then in it's normal state.

 

[jsupstarz]

Would it help to go donate double rbc's today ???Would this help lower bp ?Steelman..sorry to hear you are still doing badly.At this point I would end my cycle if I were you.The problem is will nolva in 2 weeks hurt the liver ?You got me thinking twice about the ace for sept/oct like we discussed/think I might stick with tren enth.Since we were both rodeo athletes and raised around livestock do you ever wonder now how those calves must have felt when we were injecting them with fina ?

I think it would help to donate double rbc's at redcross, It def. wouldn't hurt in your case. YOU NEED TO GET AN LFT (LIVER FUNCTION TEST) at your doc's asap. you need to know where you are, and also get a full urine, which checks for bun,creatine, etc. for kidney function as well because with some of your urinary tract symptoms I am concerned. If your liver is in a vulnerable state, nolva may injure you even more. Drink a lot of water, BUT don't go overboard because it sounds like your EGFR (estimated glomular filtration rate) is on the lower side. If your kidneys are not function well a TON of water could be negative. And watch PILLS that you take as well, eg benedryl, tylenol etc.

 

[role model]

I also agree that Nolva is harder on the liver than we are lead to believe.

 

[Beefy]

How can itching be caused by extremely high red blood cell count?

Does anyone know what pruritis is?

 

[steelman]

jsup....I think the LFT will be a must have for me...like I said...I am feeling better, just itchy skin now....Dennis, as we talked before, the tren does its trick, but, it sure went overboard on me fast...I assumed nolva was going to be out of the question, but I will wait and see as far as clomid is concerned...I am just trying to get as much information out there to everyone on my situation so they are informed and can offer information as well...Thanks for everything...I will look into bleeding into the bag as well ....