Tren and liver values

[MANWHORE]

I'm sure this has been talked about many times here,but i keep seeing writtings of how Tren is so damn liver toxic. I thought this was proven to be wrong,and that it was linked to Parabolin. Why am i still seeing people writting Tren acetate is VERY liver and kidney toxic?

 

[MaxRep]

Because 90% of the people posting on BB boards do no research whatsoever, and pass on whatever rumor they've heard or read with zero verification.

I'm not sure what you mean by this:

"it was linked to Parabolin"

As Parabolan is Tren. Nowadays Tren is generally available with an Ace or Enan ester and Parabolan was Tren with a Hexa ester. There were no major liver or kidney concerns with Tren Hexa, just as there aren't with Tren Ace or Tren Enan.

Any AAS can be abused and cause problems but outside abuse, AAS injected don't generally cause permanent liver or kidney problems.

MaxRep

 

[MANWHORE]

Because 90% of the people posting on BB boards do no research whatsoever, and pass on whatever rumor they've heard or read with zero verification.

I'm not sure what you mean by this:

"it was linked to Parabolin"

As Parabolan is Tren. Nowadays Tren is generally available as an Ace or Enan ester and Parabolan was Tren with a Hexa ester. There were no major liver or kidney concerns with Tren Hexa, just as there aren't with Tren Ace or Tren Enan.

Any AAS can be abused and cause problems but outside abuse, AAS injected don't generally cause permanent liver or kidney problems.

MaxRep

When i said Parabolin,i meant the Hexa ester. Bill Roberts said that he thought people were stacking many drugs with Para and just blaming the high liver values on Para when it was probably all the drugs mixed. I read this years ago on Meso site and that's what i thought. Actually i'm not talking about people from BBing boards,since i know alot of people don't know what they're talking about. Did i say other boards? I meant i'm reading it in a new BBing book.

 

[Gandalf]

How does this stand for the BD Parabolan tabs. I want to run them at 50mg per day. Is that advisable or should I drop to 25mg per day. I plan on doing 50mg per day of Winny as well, both for 6 weeks.

 

[Fronkthis]

Hey ManWHORE,
The book your speaking of is a couple years old now.
and in the new book by the same author, he clears this up, stating it is the hexlcarbonate ester rather than the tren itself.
He also talks about high levels of BA in the solution can cause tissure diuress.

 

[MANWHORE]

Hey ManWHORE,
The book your speaking of is a couple years old now.
and in the new book by the same author, he clears this up, stating it is the hexlcarbonate ester rather than the tren itself.
He also talks about high levels of BA in the solution can cause tissure diuress.

Man,i can't keep up with everyone here. I never know who i'm geting info from and can never remember who i'm talking to if i talked to them before
I remember Bobsmith,Phreezer,and Hogg... O and Dolf and massive because of his avatar. And thanks Sev

 

[UVX-Rx]

There is virtually no damage to liver with Tren Acetate. All the liver damage that was associated with Tren was due to the Cyclohexylmethylcarbonate ester found in Parabolan. I have had blood tested before, during and after tren cycles and none of my values change in the least.

 

[pumppumppuk]

How does this stand for the BD Parabolan tabs. I want to run them at 50mg per day. Is that advisable or should I drop to 25mg per day. I plan on doing 50mg per day of Winny as well, both for 6 weeks.

you prob need to read up on tabs, gandalf. just about any aas tab worth taking is hard on your liver. as you read more about them you'll see why.

my rule of thumb on tabs:

i one kind of tab at a time.

if it comes in inj and tab....buy the inj.

some tabs i will never take.

tabs are easy to take, but may not be the best choice. read read read.

read the drug profile section on this board. there is a little info there. there are some real good books and ebooks you can buy here cheaper than most places.



good luck.....not flaming you....we've all been there, and at least you didn't get started in the 80's and have to make yourself forget 90% of the BS some musclehead at your gym told you.


PPP

 

[pumppumppuk]

There is virtually no damage to liver with Tren Acetate. All the liver damage that was associated with Tren was due to the Cyclohexylmethylcarbonate ester found in Parabolan. I have had blood tested before, during and after tren cycles and none of my values change in the least.

het uni,

i have read the same things. i think a lot of this has been cleared up in the last year or so.


PPP

 

[Austin316]

Beast Author

The beast author says Tren is toxic.
Tren will also lower your good cholestrol quite a bit.
Atleast that has been my experience.

See for yourself run some tren and get blood work done, that's what I did.

Austin 316

 

[MANWHORE]

The beast author says Tren is toxic.
Tren will also lower your good cholestrol quite a bit.
Atleast that has been my experience.

See for yourself run some tren and get blood work done, that's what I did.

Austin 316

What other things where you using when taking the Tren? Nolva,Primrose? Where you using Adex or other anti Es/aromatase?

 

[Austin316]

The tren was by itself.
I run adex with test cycles and that will destroy my good cholestrol as well.
So i switched to Nolva and Proviron.
Again these are my experiences.

Austin 316

What other things where you using when taking the Tren? Nolva,Primrose? Where you using Adex or other anti Es/aromatase?

 

[MANWHORE]

I guess if you didn't change anything else like diet then that's something to think about.

 

[Edicut]

I'm having complete blood work done in about one week, that'll be roughly 7 weeks after my cycle of Test Prop and Tren A. I'll let you know how that comes out. However, I will say that Tren does seem to have a substantial effect of the color and smell of my urine even with increased water intake, I'm not saying this is any proof of anything just that it only happens to me when on Tren. If I believed the danger was serious or irreversible, I wouldn't have used it to begin with.

Edicut

 

[TheSpectre]

There is virtually no damage to liver with Tren Acetate. All the liver damage that was associated with Tren was due to the Cyclohexylmethylcarbonate ester found in Parabolan. I have had blood tested before, during and after tren cycles and none of my values change in the least.

How so? It's still not 17aa.

 

[einstein1905]

How so? It's still not 17aa.

Many compound sare liver toxic to some degree, not just 17aa steroid hormones. The ester is simply a carbon chain that was shown to be somewhat liver toxic. trenbolone, itself, is not. A.L.Rea has struggled to be surrent with all his info, although some actually is pretty cutting edge.

 

[TheSpectre]

Many compound sare liver toxic to some degree, not just 17aa steroid hormones. The ester is simply a carbon chain that was shown to be somewhat liver toxic. trenbolone, itself, is not. A.L.Rea has struggled to be surrent with all his info, although some actually is pretty cutting edge.

If it is it must be hardly toxic at all. I've been on for three months with no problems.

 

[UVX-Rx]

If it is it must be hardly toxic at all. I've been on for three months with no problems.

Everyone reacts differently...you are fortunate.

On a side note, Tren really does make my HDL take a nosedive. No biggie though. It comes back quick.

 

[TheSpectre]

Everyone reacts differently...you are fortunate.

On a side note, Tren really does make my HDL take a nosedive. No biggie though. It comes back quick.

Yeah I take 10mg nolvadex ED to help out with the cholesterol.

 

[bamafamm]

Not so fast...

Well, had my levels checked 1 month ago, my livers values were normal, 10 days after my first inject (75 mg eod) I was 6 points higher than the max acceptable which, now two weeks off of tren my liver values are normal again. There were no orals being used, only prop/tren, which both have met the trash due questions I have with the quality of the new UG lab which I bought the product from. PM me if anyone needs any more info.

Yeah I take 10mg nolvadex ED to help out with the cholesterol.