Tren Base (HELP please!)

[Wunderpus]

Okay, so I attempted a brew of tren base last night of 100mg/ml, and failed horribly... Literally the shit started crystallizing in the syringe pre filtering, seriously, WTF!?

Here's the recipe I followed (it was for TNE, figured it should brew the same):
50mls tren base at 100mg/ml

MCT- 25.75
BA- 1 ml
BB- 9 mls
5 gram powder
G- 10 ml


So, some people seem to think I need to use 100% EO, where others recommend using a water based brew... Here are 2 pics of the brew about 1 hour after "filtering" in the vial...





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[GearGodess]

How long did you keep on heat? 18% bb is ok... 20% may have been better, at least that's what I prefer in no esters for keeping it liquid... guaiacol is right on...no need for more.

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[Wunderpus]

How long did you keep on heat? 18% bb is ok... 20% may have been better, at least that's what I prefer in no esters for keeping it liquid... guaiacol is right on...no need for more.

PS. Love that light!!!

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Probably 20-30 minutes until it dissolved, and let it sit there for a while. The heat was at 180f.... Had to keep increasing it to get it to dissolve.

 

[Wunderpus]

How long did you keep on heat? 18% bb is ok... 20% may have been better, at least that's what I prefer in no esters for keeping it liquid... guaiacol is right on...no need for more.

PS. Love that light!!!

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Some people are saying to follow this winstrol recipe, what're your thoughts? Sick of wasting raws

1 Gram winstrol
17 ml of GSO (IDK why people don't use MCT for non-esters, is there a reason?)
.2 ml of benzyl alcohol
2 ml of guaiacol

@Notits also want your thoughts

 

[ebkallday]

I brewed test base twice. First time looked like your Tren base after it cooled for a day. Second run I went 18%BB and subbed 50% of my GSO with EO. Smooth as silk, never crashed. I will note that I handle EO well but I know it fucks some people up. Plus the EO makes it thin as water.

 

[Wunderpus]

I brewed test base twice. First time looked like your Tren base after it cooled for a day. Second run I went 18%BB and subbed 50% of my GSO with EO. Smooth as silk, never crashed. I will note that I handle EO well but I know it fucks some people up. Plus the EO makes it thin as water.

OKay, that's definitely an option. I don't have any EO, but it's a click away. What filter did you use? I know EO eats plastic filters...

 

[ebkallday]

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OKay, that's definitely an option. I don't have any EO, but it's a click away. What filter did you use? I know EO eats plastic filters...

Used PTFE and ran 100mls through it with no issues. I have a friend who will use nylon but changes the filter every 40 mls due to the color change. No than you, I'd rather not shoot liquid nylon.

 

[GearGodess]

Some people are saying to follow this winstrol recipe, what're your thoughts? Sick of wasting raws

1 Gram winstrol
17 ml of GSO (IDK why people don't use MCT for non-esters, is there a reason?)
.2 ml of benzyl alcohol
2 ml of guaiacol

@Notits also want your thoughts

You can save this tren... I'll have to run numbers to tell you the exact mgs it will end up... this Winstrol recipe is very similar... 2ml G per gram of powder I'm guessing.. I wouldn't skip BB... the GSO vs MCT, I don't think so... only primo and npp have their preferred oils that they work better with.

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[GearGodess]

I brewed test base twice. First time looked like your Tren base after it cooled for a day. Second run I went 18%BB and subbed 50% of my GSO with EO. Smooth as silk, never crashed. I will note that I handle EO well but I know it fucks some people up. Plus the EO makes it thin as water.

EO works better with short esters but Guaiacol is much better with long esters and no ester compounds. You can use it in TNE as well but that's a fairly high amount. There are better choices.

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[Wunderpus]

You can save this tren... I'll have to run numbers to tell you the exact mgs it will end up... this Winstrol recipe is very similar... 2ml G per gram of powder I'm guessing.. I wouldn't skip BB... the GSO vs MCT, I don't think so... only primo and npp have their preferred oils that they work better with.

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Problem is, I didn't get the full 25mls in (it started clogging the filter while it was running through). My BEST guess is it's about 15mls in the vial, but it's tough to be exact... I suppose I could heat it, add a bit of filtered oil/ba/bb/G to it a little at a time?

 

[GearGodess]

Problem is, I didn't get the full 25mls in (it started clogging the filter while it was running through). My BEST guess is it's about 15mls in the vial, but it's tough to be exact... I suppose I could heat it, add a bit of filtered oil/ba/bb/G to it a little at a time?

Let me think for sec... so you have 15mls crashed in vial and 25mls still waiting to be filtered. Right?

What I would do is warm it. Combine it all. Only add BB and G.. let me figure the amounts. Warm it all...Then filter again... you won't have 100mgs/ml but at least save what you made...and still be able to use it

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[Wunderpus]

Let me think for sec... so you have 15mls crashed in vial and 25mls still waiting to be filtered. Right?

What I would do is warm it. Combine it all. Only add BB and G.. let me figure the amounts. Warm it all...Then filter again... you won't have 100mgs/ml but at least save what you made...and still be able to use it

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No no, I filtered about 15 in, then chucked the syringe full of the rest.... :O

So, we're working with about 15ml's here... I can warm it back up in the vial and allow it to reconstitute. How much G/BB/BA and MCT would you add before attempting a refulter?

 

[Wunderpus]

Call it 15mls, so what we have is (roughly) in that vial:


MCT- 7.725 ml
BA- .3ml
BB- 2.7ml
1.5grams powder
G- 3ml

I assume we might want to try and cut it to 50mg's/ml?

 

[GearGodess]

Call it 15mls, so what we have is (roughly) in that vial:


MCT- 7.725 ml
BA- .3ml
BB- 2.7ml
1.5grams powder
G- 3ml

I assume we might want to try and cut it to 50mg's/ml?

Oh my, I nearly had a heart attack reading you chucked the rest! We need to come up with a secret signal notification in case of emergency like this!

Two options. As long as your estimated numbers are good...

75mg/ml 20mls
Add:
0.1 ba
1.3 bb
3.6 G


50mg/ml 30mls
Add:
0.3 ba
3.3 bb
6 G
5.4 oil

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[Big_paul]

I never produced a base or suspension, but if the idea is to dissolve the base and try to filter it, you need more bb.

I don't understand why anyone would need a faster acting ester than tren acetate.

 

[Wunderpus]

Oh my, I nearly had a heart attack reading you chucked the rest! We need to come up with a secret signal notification in case of emergency like this!

Two options. As long as your estimated numbers are good...

75mg/ml 20mls
Add:
0.1 ba
1.3 bb
3.6 G


50mg/ml 30mls
Add:
0.3 ba
3.3 bb
6 G
5.4 oil

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Okay, so it turns out I had 25mls of the crashed liquid
I added more BA/BB/G and oil to bring it to 50mg/ml, we'll see if it holds before I filter it...

 

[Wunderpus]

I never produced a base or suspension, but if the idea is to dissolve the base and try to filter it, you need more bb.

I don't understand why anyone would need a faster acting ester than tren acetate.

Pre workout...

 

[Big_paul]

Pre workout...

Cheque drops.

 

[Wunderpus]

Cheque drops.

Ha, easier said than found.... This is the closest thing available.

 

[pharmasource]

Okay, so I attempted a brew of tren base last night of 100mg/ml, and failed horribly... Literally the shit started crystallizing in the syringe pre filtering, seriously, WTF!?
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100mg/ml is too much for base. The best is 50mg/ml. One of my team is brewer , his receipe

50mg/ml
22%BB
25% EO
2% BA

75mg/ml
24% BB
25% EO
2%BA
2% guaiacol