Tren on/off cycling

[Juicedhead]

I also feel like a panis attack 24/7. But managing with medication. My heart is throbbing all the time. L-Theanine helps.

But dam, 5 more days of this and then a break. But no kidding I made UNBELIVABLE progress. Just feel like garbage 24/7.

what dose did you end up using?

 

[Sector]

I also feel like a panis attack 24/7. But managing with medication. My heart is throbbing all the time. L-Theanine helps.

But dam, 5 more days of this and then a break. But no kidding I made UNBELIVABLE progress. Just feel like garbage 24/7.

I actually get somewhat of an opposite effect on it, where I feel like it actually reduces my anxiety, or atleast this is the possibly warped perception that I have while on it. I just feel like any anxiety is just replaced by an overly assertive aggression.

That said im very much looking forward to a break as well. Dropping back to TRT and chilling for a few months. The aggression does get old after a while. It's great for workouts, but useless outside of that. Trying to tame it gets rather exhausting at times

 

[Mrhairyman]

I also feel like a panis attack 24/7. But managing with medication. My heart is throbbing all the time. L-Theanine helps.

But dam, 5 more days of this and then a break. But no kidding I made UNBELIVABLE progress. Just feel like garbage 24/7.

How much are you pinning and how often ?

 

[jJjburton]

How did you managed the panic attack?

I take gabapentin. I actually take it 4x a day, only way i would be able to do this.

 

[jJjburton]

what dose did you end up using?

700 test and 350 tren a, i pin ed,

100 mg test and 50 mg tren a, ED.

 

[jJjburton]

When I use Tren at all anymore my preference is entirely for Tren Base or TnE. The sides of anything else (even Tren A) just outwiegh the benefits for me.

I still have a bunch of Tren E raws hanging around... will I eventually talk myself into another 6 weeks of night sweats, eating TUMS like candy, tasting burning garbage in the back of my throat all the time etc...?

Probably... sigh.

Tren E is TOURTURE! Horrible. Its really relieving to know if i feel like i need to stop i just have to not pin for 2 days and that feeling will go away. But with tren E, you are SCREWED, you are doomed and have no choice but to hold on.

 

[Musmadar]

I take gabapentin. I actually take it 4x a day, only way i would be able to do this.

Thanks.

 

[JC Grifter]

I’ve used Tren three times at 50mg ed. My main problem was that I never got any side effects and bloodwork post cycle was always good.

I say that was a problem because it’s so tempting to just keep using it lol. But as I get older I like to take less chances.

 

[crtx]

700 test and 350 tren a, i pin ed,

100 mg test and 50 mg tren a, ED.

why 50mg a day? doesn't sound like your handling it well.

20mg eod works great yeah low dose i agree but does everything i need it too. 80-100mg a week.

 

[jJjburton]

why 50mg a day? doesn't sound like your handling it well.

20mg eod works great yeah low dose i agree but does everything i need it too. 80-100mg a week.

I brew it at 100 mg/ml. So .5 ml ed is 350 mg a week. No other reason then such.

I brew my test at 200 mg/ml, so .5 ml of that is 700 mg a week.

The pip at this dose is tolerable and i am seeing results.

Wish i had some specific reasoning besides this. There is not.

 

[HKOX]

I've made the conscious decision to only use 100mg tren e a week. I don't get sides from tren even at 300mg a week, but it's taxing on the kidneys. I've found I still get great results on 100mg a week of tren E (split doses). I do 4 week blasts and 4 week cruises. My last blast with 200mg test prop, 100mg tren e, 200mg NPP, 37.5mg Anavar (12.5mg every 8 hours) and 200mg Primo was the best ever. No sides aside from teenage-level libido.

I'm taking a break from tren and Anavar until my next 4 week blast in June. Just started on 200mg test prop, 10mg ED MENT, 400mg Deca and 200mg each of Primo E and Mast E. 12.5mg Winny pre-workout and after a workout as well.

 

[phenominal34]

Lower your test dose and the sides should lessen.

 

[Musmadar]

Lower your test dose and the sides should lessen.

Interesting approuch ...

 

[Sector]

I've made the conscious decision to only use 100mg tren e a week. I don't get sides from tren even at 300mg a week, but it's taxing on the kidneys. I've found I still get great results on 100mg a week of tren E (split doses). I do 4 week blasts and 4 week cruises. My last blast with 200mg test prop, 100mg tren e, 200mg NPP, 37.5mg Anavar (12.5mg every 8 hours) and 200mg Primo was the best ever. No sides aside from teenage-level libido.

I'm taking a break from tren and Anavar until my next 4 week blast in June. Just started on 200mg test prop, 10mg ED MENT, 400mg Deca and 200mg each of Primo E and Mast E. 12.5mg Winny pre-workout and after a workout as well.

The only problem with this approach, particularly with the enanthate esters, is that by the time it actually saturates in your blood, you're discontinuing it (with the 4 week approach).

 

[JC Grifter]

Lower your test dose and the sides should lessen.

Interesting. I’ve used Tren three times on top of my TRT and never had one side effect. Perhaps that’s why

 

[HKOX]

The only problem with this approach, particularly with the enanthate esters, is that by the time it actually saturates in your blood, you're discontinuing it (with the 4 week approach).

Not true. Have you looked at how quickly enanthates saturate? They just take longer to eliminate. On my way to the gym or I'd post you some graphs

 

[Sector]

Not true. Have you looked at how quickly enanthates saturate? They just take longer to eliminate. On my way to the gym or I'd post you some graphs

It's very true. 4 week enanthate cycles are goofy. You should be running it 10-12 weeks minimum. And yes, I have looked at how long it takes enanthate to saturate. Again, by the time you finally get it built up in your system, you're already discontinuing it

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Hasn't even peaked by the time you discontinue it

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[HKOX]

It's very true. 4 week enanthate cycles are goofy. You should be running it 10-12 weeks minimum. And yes, I have looked at how long it takes enanthate to saturate. Again, by the time you finally get it built up in your system, you're already discontinuing it

Here's 4 weeks

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Here's 6 weeks

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Hasn't even peaked by the time you discontinue it

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Should have added I frontload a double dose to begin with. But yes due to the long half life, levels will continue to climb until what you're injecting equals what you're eliminating. Still doing great with enanthates as long as I double dose to begin with.

After playing with Steroid Plotter some more, it seems I should front load a full two weeks worth to begin with if I'm using long esters. Thanks, I think I'll add more tonight!

 

[Mrhairyman]

I brew it at 100 mg/ml. So .5 ml ed is 350 mg a week. No other reason then such.

I brew my test at 200 mg/ml, so .5 ml of that is 700 mg a week.

The pip at this dose is tolerable and i am seeing results.

Wish i had some specific reasoning besides this. There is not.

Besides anxiety how is your mood, any aggression or short temper ?

 

[jJjburton]

Besides anxiety how is your mood, any aggression or short temper ?

overall just more grumpy. When i am usually very laid back. I would not enjoy feeling like this for a long time. But i do feel good.

I am not an aggressive person. So my go to outlet of anger is not what most people would do. I tend to not want to talk or see anyone, instead of be confrontational and vocal. So these emotions are slightly exaggerated then normal.

I think a lower dose would change that, and if i was looking for longer term, i would run a smaller dose.