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Anabolic Steroids
tren&sest or tren &tes
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LuvMuhRoids
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tren and deca should not be done together. It's not necessary. Use test assuming a single ester test like enanthate instead of sustanon. Sustanon is terrible and causes spikes in your plasma levels and may hinder gains as well as cause more side affects due to the spikes mainly by prop. Tren and deca are two of the most hardcore anabolics that shut down the natural system and cause such side affects as prolactin (fluid secretion of the nipples). Make sure your test mg's dominates the tren mg's to over come shut down such as impotence, low sperm count, etc. To keep the benefits of the natural male characterisitcs.
joe shmoe
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since deca is most prevalent in sest
if you're talking about sustanon...there is NO deca in sust. if you think there is, you need to do more studying before you shoot anything.
have a nice day
if you're talking about sustanon...there is NO deca in sust. if you think there is, you need to do more studying before you shoot anything.
have a nice day
joe shmoe
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the only reason i dont like sust is due to the pain involved from the prop in the mixture. other than that, sust is fine to use. and yes, you could mix it with tren in the same syringe.
what doses would you be looking at?
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what doses would you be looking at?
have a nice day
i dont get any pain from prop, win, or anything else for thst matter -- but i havnt done any of these ug liquids around yet (lots of alcohol i here)
also never done tren -- back when i started it was fina and nobody knew what the fuck they were doing with it
but like dumb kids we took it anyway
also never done tren -- back when i started it was fina and nobody knew what the fuck they were doing with it
but like dumb kids we took it anyway
joe shmoe
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not long enough on the sust. what do you think about this:
weeks 1-10: 500mg/wk of sust. split into 2 shots. (this will allow you to get the full effect of the longer acting esters.)
weeks 6-12: tren @ 75mg/ED or 150mg/EOD. (run till week 12 so that it clears close to the same time that the sust will clear)
weeks 9-13: winny @ 50mg/ED if injectable. 75-100mg/ED if oral. (yes, winny needs to be an ED injection)
the day after you stop using winny, go into PCT. think about adding hCG into your PCT.
have a nice day
weeks 1-10: 500mg/wk of sust. split into 2 shots. (this will allow you to get the full effect of the longer acting esters.)
weeks 6-12: tren @ 75mg/ED or 150mg/EOD. (run till week 12 so that it clears close to the same time that the sust will clear)
weeks 9-13: winny @ 50mg/ED if injectable. 75-100mg/ED if oral. (yes, winny needs to be an ED injection)
the day after you stop using winny, go into PCT. think about adding hCG into your PCT.
have a nice day
Pablo escabar jr.
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well said...
Damn nice cycle, even compinsated for the ester cleariance time for you. you'll want to run something like this for post cycle recovery:
clomid @ 100mg ED for weeks 14-18
nolva @ 40mg Ed for weeks 14 & 15
Hcg @ 500iu's ED for weeks 13, 14, 15
that will help test recovery due to the hard test crash you'll get from the Tren.
Pablo Escabar Jr.
joe shmoe said:
Damn nice cycle, even compinsated for the ester cleariance time for you. you'll want to run something like this for post cycle recovery:
clomid @ 100mg ED for weeks 14-18
nolva @ 40mg Ed for weeks 14 & 15
Hcg @ 500iu's ED for weeks 13, 14, 15
that will help test recovery due to the hard test crash you'll get from the Tren.
Pablo Escabar Jr.
gotta shoot tren eod might as well cocktail sus the same i think to keep blood levels even since some of the compunds are short acting? (cant hurt and theres no more shots involved)
dont have hcg - only source i have i have never used and dont know if reliable-- how much will it help me -- wont clomid be enough?
also concerned with longevity of this cycle -- seems to shut natural system down for long time!
wouldnt it be better to run tren in first six weeks (front load) since sus is fast acting and then allow slow ending maybe even take primo at end of cycle for 2 weeks to help ease crash?
or do you think im way off base
also would love to use hcg if had some but was thinking would be better in middle of cycle -- then i would mind dragging cycle on for 16 weeks
what do you guys think of my logic
dont have hcg - only source i have i have never used and dont know if reliable-- how much will it help me -- wont clomid be enough?
also concerned with longevity of this cycle -- seems to shut natural system down for long time!
wouldnt it be better to run tren in first six weeks (front load) since sus is fast acting and then allow slow ending maybe even take primo at end of cycle for 2 weeks to help ease crash?
or do you think im way off base
also would love to use hcg if had some but was thinking would be better in middle of cycle -- then i would mind dragging cycle on for 16 weeks
what do you guys think of my logic
hardcore210
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Follow Joe's advice.....he won't steer you wrong!
finafreak
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joe shmoe said:
Joe's advice sounds good for a beginner.Good advice joe
finafreak
joe shmoe
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dont have hcg - only source i have i have never used and dont know if reliable-- how much will it help me -- wont clomid be enough?
clomid will work. using hCG before clomid works much much better.
also concerned with longevity of this cycle -- seems to shut natural system down for long time!
not any longer than any other cycle. its part of the game.
wouldnt it be better to run tren in first six weeks (front load) since sus is fast acting and then allow slow ending maybe even take primo at end of cycle for 2 weeks to help ease crash?
this makes no sense. sust is fast and slow acting. its a blend of 4 different esters. primo for 2 weeks is a complete waste seeing how its attached to an enanthate ester that takes anywhere from 3-5 weeks to kick in. forget about this part.
or do you think im way off base
yep...i think you were waaay off my friend.
also would love to use hcg if had some but was thinking would be better in middle of cycle -- then i would mind dragging cycle on for 16 weeks
whats the point of only doing it ion the middle at week 8? by week 16 your balls will look like raisins again anyway. if you used it in the middle AND at the end..OK. but if you're going to only use it once, use it at the end.
what do you guys think of my logic
....no comment.
have a nice day
clomid will work. using hCG before clomid works much much better.
also concerned with longevity of this cycle -- seems to shut natural system down for long time!
not any longer than any other cycle. its part of the game.
wouldnt it be better to run tren in first six weeks (front load) since sus is fast acting and then allow slow ending maybe even take primo at end of cycle for 2 weeks to help ease crash?
this makes no sense. sust is fast and slow acting. its a blend of 4 different esters. primo for 2 weeks is a complete waste seeing how its attached to an enanthate ester that takes anywhere from 3-5 weeks to kick in. forget about this part.
or do you think im way off base
yep...i think you were waaay off my friend.also would love to use hcg if had some but was thinking would be better in middle of cycle -- then i would mind dragging cycle on for 16 weeks
whats the point of only doing it ion the middle at week 8? by week 16 your balls will look like raisins again anyway. if you used it in the middle AND at the end..OK. but if you're going to only use it once, use it at the end.
what do you guys think of my logic
....no comment.have a nice day
joe shmoe said:
Joe the pain from Sustanon is very variable from person to person. I have shot over 300 cc's of Karachi Sust 250 and have NEVER experienced any pain ever. I have 4 friends who have likewise shot many cc's of Karachi Sust and experienced very little to no pain. I have another friend......it absolutely crippled him. After every shot he would limp on the leg affected for 4 or 5 days. So I bought him some sterile oil. He cut it 1:1 and whoallah.....he said 95% of the pain was gone. I think it is a misnomer to label Sust as "painful". It totally depends on the person, and for MOST people, I feel Sust is painless.
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