Tren suppression

[Elistheman]

Hello.

i was wondering if using tren for a cycle or two could compromise sperm production long term? Sperm quality? I have searched for an answer but couldn't find something relevant.

Obviously pct (nolva clomid) after each cycle and cycle no more then 12 weeks (10 tren 12 test). Can using HCG during the cycle help mitigate the suppression?

i have only done one cycle so far (500 test p 500 mast p for 12) and no, i am not planning to tren at least until my fifth. The reason i am asking is because i have read 19 nors usage eventually leads to trt. I have no problem with trt. I have a problem with fertility. If i use tren i compromise sperm production long term?

 

[tengtren]

A cycle or two? Absolutely not.
Staying on basically year round? Not really (example Boston loyd).

 

[Elistheman]

A cycle or two? Absolutely not.
Staying on basically year round? Not really (example Boston loyd).

So you are saying i have nothing to be concerned about? What about other health effects that could be done due to a cycle or two? Once a year (for 10 weeks)? I don't plan to compete (ever).The reason i am thinking about tren is experimenting. Is it even worth taking if i am not going to compete?

 

[KillaBig]

Try it when your ready, I have done 2 tren cycles gains were incredible physique seemed to turn god like from just looking at weights. lol
I decided to not run it anymore after my last cycle it’s a harsh compound on the body physically and mentally and I’m in my mid 30’s and feel like test is best for myself considering I don’t compete and being godlike is awesome but not worth it in my opinion from my stand point and goal’s. Good luck to ya!

 

[tengtren]

So you are saying i have nothing to be concerned about? What about other health effects that could be done due to a cycle or two? Once a year (for 10 weeks)? I don't plan to compete (ever).The reason i am thinking about tren is experimenting. Is it even worth taking if i am not going to compete?

Tren is very potent, and most the time the level of benefits and about equal with negatives with thing of this nature.

Trenbolone has only been around REALLY since the late 70s and I don't think abused until 80s. Nandrolone can have long-lasting effects on the brains dopaminergic and serotonergic nervous system so they say. But in my opinion 10 weeks a year of tren is nothing to be TOO concerned about. But notice the capitalization of too. These are hormones, I feel like I say this a lot but you MUST know what you want.

If the health effects are worth it to you then good, you should be able to say it out loud to yourself.

If you question it, maybe steroids aren't for you. You don't want to compete so maybe ask why you want to do one of the hardest gears out there? You can consider Anavar primobolan equipoise. These are much safer and carry less side effects.

 

[Wunderpus]

Tren is very potent, and most the time the level of benefits and about equal with negatives with thing of this nature.

Trenbolone has only been around REALLY since the late 70s and I don't think abused until 80s. Nandrolone can have long-lasting effects on the brains dopaminergic and serotonergic nervous system so they say. But in my opinion 10 weeks a year of tren is nothing to be TOO concerned about. But notice the capitalization of too. These are hormones, I feel like I say this a lot but you MUST know what you want.

If the health effects are worth it to you then good, you should be able to say it out loud to yourself.

If you question it, maybe steroids aren't for you. You don't want to compete so maybe ask why you want to do one of the hardest gears out there? You can consider Anavar primobolan equipoise. These are much safer and carry less side effects.

Good post

 

[eazy57]

I agree with previous posters here. 10 to 12 weeks won't ruin you for making babies with proper PCT.

I may not be the best for your particular situation as I am almost 50 and had a vasectomy over 15 years ago.

I've done a cycle of 20 weeks earlier this year and am now running a 12 week cycle.

Side effects? Hell ya. But as previously noted, are they worth it to you. Know thyself. Be honest with yourself.

I live tren. I run it moderately. No crazy dosages. I'm aware of my increased aggression and keep it in check. Night sweats and insomnia is the worst side effect for me.

Sexually speaking... I'm a fucking machine. Throw in some cabergoline and you'll be shooting like Peter North.

 

[Keepittight]

Hello.

i was wondering if using tren for a cycle or two could compromise sperm production long term? Sperm quality? I have searched for an answer but couldn't find something relevant.

Obviously pct (nolva clomid) after each cycle and cycle no more then 12 weeks (10 tren 12 test). Can using HCG during the cycle help mitigate the suppression?

i have only done one cycle so far (500 test p 500 mast p for 12) and no, i am not planning to tren at least until my fifth. The reason i am asking is because i have read 19 nors usage eventually leads to trt. I have no problem with trt. I have a problem with fertility. If i use tren i compromise sperm production long term?

I really wouldn't advise tren If you're gonna cycle off. No need. Your goals aren't that high. Just stick with test and maybe some var, mast, bold, or orals

 

[Elistheman]

Thanks a lot guys for the constructive comments.
As i said previously i am not thinking about running it any time soon and after what i have read, i have given some more thought if i need to use a harsh compound, probably not. I am nearing my genetic limit so i might just stay there.

 

[valuum]

I really wouldn't advise tren If you're gonna cycle off. No need. Your goals aren't that high. Just stick with test and maybe some var, mast, bold, or orals

Do you mean you should only use tren if you plan to blast and cruise or juice to the point where TRT is inevitable?

 

[Keepittight]

Do you mean you should only use tren if you plan to blast and cruise or juice to the point where TRT is inevitable?

Yes, otherwise you're doing possible irreversible damage without good reason. If you're looking to cycle and come off you can't maintain more than the natural limit for very long without another cycle, so no point in needing tren which will inevitably lower what the natural limit can sustain anyway. Also if you're only cycling to the natural limit you only need lighter compounds.
This is a mind set for bodybuilding. I know you're a power lifter so the results of keeping strength could be a different discussion than keeping muscle mass. I don't know anything about powerlifting so I couldn't comment.

I think test P, bold A, var, and dbol are great choices for those that cycle and come off. (With bodybuilding goals)

 

[valuum]

Yes, otherwise you're doing possible irreversible damage without good reason. If you're looking to cycle and come off you can't maintain more than the natural limit for very long without another cycle, so no point in needing tren which will inevitably lower what the natural limit can sustain anyway. Also if you're only cycling to the natural limit you only need lighter compounds.
This is a mind set for bodybuilding. I know you're a power lifter so the results of keeping strength could be a different discussion than keeping muscle mass. I don't know anything about powerlifting so I couldn't comment.

I think test P, bold A, var, and dbol are great choices for those that cycle and come off. (With bodybuilding goals)

I don't powerlift, does my avatar just look fat, haha?

Is it totally true that steroid gains are just temporary? Isn't that a big argument in the UFC, especially with the transgender fights? That having had higher testosterone will/can result in more muscle over the long term than if test was lower?

Would light cycles allow you to achieve your natural limit, or at least work towards it more quickly? Assuming proper pct brings natural test back to normal levels and proper diet and training is followed through with?

 

[Keepittight]

I don't powerlift, does my avatar just look fat, haha?

Is it totally true that steroid gains are just temporary? Isn't that a big argument in the UFC, especially with the transgender fights? That having had higher testosterone will/can result in more muscle over the long term than if test was lower?

Would light cycles allow you to achieve your natural limit, or at least work towards it more quickly? Assuming proper pct brings natural test back to normal levels and proper diet and training is followed through with?

Lol no bro you don't look fat. I must have mixed you up with someone else on here who mentioned they power lifted.

No it's not true at all that steroid gains are temporary. You can keep all of this shit, as long as you stay within the natural limit for your body, or if you're on blast and cruise that you run your cruises at a high enough Test level. It's all gonna come back to diet and training, and sleep also.

The UFC is a different story. I don't like the idea of any transgender fighters fighting ever. They would need their own division.period. it's unacceptable for anyone who once had a set of balls to fight a women. Testosterone absolutely does play a role in that. And so does the principle that a man, or a former man would not qualify as a women's fighter. They have there own class at that point. And would need a transgendered league.

Heavier cycles off course would get you to the natural limit or above quicker of course. But it would be easier to maintain with lighter doses and proper diet and training and sleep.

 

[Hawkins]

It's all gonna come back to diet and training, and sleep also.

Truth.