Tried Tren for a bulk- possibly switching to NPP

[syuri]

Been wanting to do a cycle log and get some advice from more knowledgeable folks on here.

Currently running:
300 Test (ED pins)
140 Tren Ace (ED pins)
and have some QSC anavar on hand that I’ve used on a few days where I felt lazy.

So far I’ve been trying to see how bulking is on this stack. Tren gives me insane energy and I feel great on it. Until I don’t.
I get chest anxiety and high adrenaline leading to a high RHR on this dose.
I’ve enjoyed the results I’ve seen on this stack, but I don’t think using tren for some indecisive bulk of mine is worth it.


New goal: mass gaining phase

I don’t fare well with high test (500+) so I haven’t been able to run that. EQ sounds solid but I’m anxious about the damn anxiety it could bring (haven’t tried to confirm). On high test, I bloat like a water buffalo and anxiety creeps up. For wanting to do moderate dosages and for a decently long mass gaining phase, would something like 400 Test, 200-400 NPP do me well? Granted thats if I respond well to NPP, I’ve had prolactin issues even on my current Tren dose. I just want to hear anecdotes on if it’s worthwhile for a phase like this.

I’d rather shelve the tren for a future cut when I’m aggressively dieting.

I kept trying to make Tren work but I think maybe swapping to NPP would be a better move. I mentioned I bloat hard, so I’d want to find good dosing for this cycle.

Any advice is appreciated. Thanks

 

[syuri]

update:
going to attempt an experimental cycle

200 Test Cyp (Lower test, can't handle higher test with these compounds)
140 Tren Ace (My tolerable effective dose)
200 NPP (Joints, for growing)

Any anecdotes about stacking NPP and Tren? i know how i respond individually to these compounds and i respond well to those doses- going to see how combining them works.

looking for a not too watery 10 week bulk with this.

 

[syuri]

Doing this fabled 200 NPP, 175 Test, and 140 Tren cycle starting tomorrow.

Doctor prescribed Lexapro, which I won’t be touching for now. Adding in NPP to see how I tolerate it on this stack. Hope it does me well. The theory is that my test dosage is low enough for ENOUGH E2, but not too much to the point of which I’d be sent down the road of prolactin city

Will start with doing 30mgs daily of NPP. Hopefully I get the theorized effect of it calming down the norepinephrine activation from tren

 

[bananafeet]

Hey bro you've had anxiety issues on two compounds. Nandralone is renowned for giving mental issues.

But maybe you are already in a stressed state. Why don't you take the Lexapro?

If your worried about sexual dysfunction it can be offset with Mirtazapine or Buproprion.

I'd look into starting a beta blocker to control your heart rate. As for the bloating it's probably just estrogen control.

Tren increases catecholamines in the brain. That's what causes the rhr increase and agitation. But all steroids do... Tren is just better at it.

You can reap the anti catabolic rewards of tren at a lower dose. Do you have cabergoline on hand and aromasin?

 

[bananafeet]

Doing this fabled 200 NPP, 175 Test, and 140 Tren cycle starting tomorrow.

Doctor prescribed Lexapro, which I won’t be touching for now. Adding in NPP to see how I tolerate it on this stack. Hope it does me well. The theory is that my test dosage is low enough for ENOUGH E2, but not too much to the point of which I’d be sent down the road of prolactin city

Will start with doing 30mgs daily of NPP. Hopefully I get the theorized effect of it calming down the norepinephrine activation from tren

Sorry I just read this part. Nandrolone induces a depressed phenotype by reducing dopamine transport in the brain. It doesn't block norepinephrine or noradrenaline. It probably increases them....

 

[syuri]

Hey bro you've had anxiety issues on two compounds. Nandralone is renowned for giving mental issues.

But maybe you are already in a stressed state. Why don't you take the Lexapro?

If your worried about sexual dysfunction it can be offset with Mirtazapine or Buproprion.

I'd look into starting a beta blocker to control your heart rate. As for the bloating it's probably just estrogen control.

Tren increases catecholamines in the brain. That's what causes the rhr increase and agitation. But all steroids do... Tren is just better at it.

You can reap the anti catabolic rewards of tren at a lower dose. Do you have cabergoline on hand and aromasin?

Sexual dysfunction isn’t too scary for me honestly. I’ve never really had a libido… somehow lost it at the age of 15 and haven’t felt it since. I don’t think that’s very good, but that’s just how I’ve been operating.

I’ll have to try the Lexapro. I’m still on the fence about SSRI’s, but I’ll start it soon. I am hesitant because a ton of friends of mine have always run into issues with them. I feel like it’d be better for me to try during my health phase
Will have to try Mirtazepine though

Been on Atenolol, and more recently Nebivolol for my heart rate. It’s been doing me really well and I’ve gotten it under control, thank you for your consideration about that

I have both Adex and Caber on hand. 140 tren already caused me lactation issues which I promptly dealt with .25 of caber. Now reducing test dose to TRT to prevent any future E2 prolactin issues

But yeah if NPP is a wreck, I’ll lower my tren and just run more NPP if I can tolerate it

I don’t value my long term health very much. I have subpar genetics (everyone in my family dies early of a medical issue. Heart attack, stroke, etc.) I have a drive but I’m nothing special. I don’t care what this all does to me in the long run. I know I’m going to pass the same way and I just want to have fun doing so.

 

[syuri]

Sorry I just read this part. Nandrolone induces a depressed phenotype by reducing dopamine transport in the brain. It doesn't block norepinephrine or noradrenaline. It probably increases them....

Oh. That’s good to know

No matter how much research I do it seems the only way I can figure out how this will go is by actually testing the waters myself and doing it

I appreciate your concern. It means a lot to me, but I’m still going to attempt it anyway and in the safest way I can do so

 

[bananafeet]

Copy.

Unfortunately a sudden death is probably unlikely. More like some kind of chronic debilitating condition. Lexapro ain't great. I'd recommend Sertraline instead.

Lexapro is an absolute bitch to come off of.

Also Mirtazapine in fatiguing as shit so you need an activating SSRI. Or SNRI.

Why don't you try Californian rocket fuel? It's an Snri and Mirtazapine at high doses. You can get them from India mart (I've posted sources) or PCT 24/7. This combo treats treatment resistant depression.

If you search through my posts I've got a few long ones covering BDNF and anxiety/depression.

 

[syuri]

On the topic of Lexapro, I don’t want to end up becoming a less empathetic person. I’m probably going off and ranting now (must be my E2 lol) but I’ve seen many people get completely screwed up by tip of the iceberg SSRI’s like Lexapro that just completely turn them cold or into a negative person. I admit I probably am stressed. Furthermore, it probably would do me more good. My dad cut contact with me at 18 because I started taking my prescribed Vyvanse. He thinks all medication is pharmaceutical propaganda that rewires us into subservient mindwashed people. I’ve been hesitant to take any pharmaceutical drug because of that since. It’s all mental for me and I know it is unfortunately.

Now I’m just ranting but I really hope Lexapro does something good for me. It seems interesting that it could help with the decrease in serotonin from PEDs.

Will try to keep a log of how the drug interactions treat me

God willingly, all well

 

[syuri]

Copy.

Unfortunately a sudden death is probably unlikely. More like some kind of chronic debilitating condition. Lexapro ain't great. I'd recommend Sertraline instead.

Lexapro is an absolute bitch to come off of.

Also Mirtazapine in fatiguing as shit so you need an activating SSRI. Or SNRI.

Why don't you try Californian rocket fuel? It's an Snri and Mirtazapine at high doses. You can get them from India mart (I've posted sources) or PCT 24/7. This combo treats treatment resistant depression.

If you search through my posts I've got a few long ones covering BDNF and anxiety/depression.

I’ll have to look through your posts. I’m hesitant to admit this but I’m probably just depressed and my mind is just feeling hopeless. I’ll have to try finding this “California rocket fuel”. (funny name, I live there haha)

 

[bananafeet]

On the topic of Lexapro, I don’t want to end up becoming a less empathetic person. I’m probably going off and ranting now (must be my E2 lol) but I’ve seen many people get completely screwed up by tip of the iceberg SSRI’s like Lexapro that just completely turn them cold or into a negative person. I admit I probably am stressed. Furthermore, it probably would do me more good. My dad cut contact with me at 18 because I started taking my prescribed Vyvanse. He thinks all medication is pharmaceutical propaganda that rewires us into subservient mindwashed people. I’ve been hesitant to take any pharmaceutical drug because of that since. It’s all mental for me and I know it is unfortunately.

Now I’m just ranting but I really hope Lexapro does something good for me. It seems interesting that it could help with the decrease in serotonin from PEDs.

Will try to keep a log of how the drug interactions treat me

God willingly, all well

SSRIs take about 6 months to work fully.

I highly recommend this channel: Dr. Rege

As for your old man, that's disappointing. I think it's important not to stigmatise a mental issues when it's more of a medical issue.

As for emotional blunting it's got to do with certain receptor types. The ones for sexual dysfunction are the same for emotional connection. That's why I recommended Mirtazapine. It blocks these receptors and stops the anorgasmia and emotional blunting.

Unfortunately your friends is just a skill issue. There are ways to fix the side effects....

 

[syuri]

SSRIs take about 6 months to work fully.

I highly recommend this channel: Dr. Rege

As for your old man, that's disappointing. I think it's important not to stigmatise a mental issues when it's more of a medical issue.

As for emotional blunting it's got to do with certain receptor types. The ones for sexual dysfunction are the same for emotional connection. That's why I recommended Mirtazapine. It blocks these receptors and stops the anorgasmia and emotional blunting.

Unfortunately your friends is just a skill issue. There are ways to fix the side effects....

Haha man I love your enthusiasm towards this issue. I appreciate you coming to this thread and replying. I’m gonna spend the rest of the night looking into your stuff and these medications.

God bless you dude. I’ll keep an update log here soon

 

[bananafeet]

Haha man I love your enthusiasm towards this issue. I appreciate you coming to this thread and replying. I’m gonna spend the rest of the night looking into your stuff and these medications.

God bless you dude. I’ll keep an update log here soon

Unfortunately I get drug tested at work or I would have already sent the "Californian rocket fuel" combo lol

I'm excited to see how it goes if you try it!

Yeah watch Dr Reges videos about Mirtazapine and the 5HTC receptor types. Fascinating stuff.

I'll be eager to see how it goes for you