TRT 4yrs. Gains stall even when Blasting! WTF

[Scottyhash74]

Grey,
Last 8wk run on NPP was 6lbs with a loss of adipose tissue which was more than I was anticipating.
3 months later only holding 3 of those lbs. I guess is a 2 steps forward 1 step back. Just feel like im taxing my body too micj for too little return.

 

[ErikR]

Have you considered increasing your calories??

 

[master.on]

Hello guys,
Quick overview-
43yrs. old
Trt self administered 200mgs. 1 weekly no AI needed.
Weight 198
5'10"
12% body fat closer 14-15imo
Abs obliques visible w a little vascularity.
Anyways for the last year my Bench Press, Squat, can't do deads bcuz of hernia & slipped disc L4. And Milotary hasn't gone up more than 10-20lbs. In my big 3 compound movements.
When i blast always short esters 1 or twice a year. My go to compounds are Tren & NPP depending on goals. All run
8wks. I keep test at 250 and run Tren @400 and if im using NPP 450-600.
While on Tren my gains are extra strength, vascularity, lowered bodyfat and 2-3lbs muscle gained. With NPP increased joint relief, xtra strength, more weight gain but less vascularity.
After 8wks off cycle my gains deminish again leaving me in the same place.
Anyone else feel their gains diminish off cycle just not nearly as quickly as cycling?
Looking into a injectable Ment cycle next 50mgs a day 60days. And injectable methyltrienolone 2mgs. daily 30 days.
Please inform me if anyone else is contending w this sane problem?
Thanks again guys!!

They don't call it plateau for nothing.
Even with the strongest steroids, with high dosages you'll eventually plateau.

Besides keeping natural T, or health reasons,
the main purpose of cycling is to regain sensitivity to steroids.
i.e. let's take not of your current blast dosages and steroids types.
By getting off-cycle/cruising by 4-8 weeks you can grow again with exactly the same blast you did before.

Blast and cruise usually has no guide lines but only real reason to come off is to lower myostatin and blast again which only takes 4 weeks

Interesting

Did you find any studies that suggest that plateau if caused by increased myostatin from high dosages/strong steroids/lengthy cycle?

 

[rated_rko]

Maybe you've gear is bunk?

 

[Kgkle]

They don't call it plateau for nothing.
Even with the strongest steroids, with high dosages you'll eventually plateau.

Besides keeping natural T, or health reasons,
the main purpose of cycling is to regain sensitivity to steroids.
i.e. let's take not of your current blast dosages and steroids types.
By getting off-cycle/cruising by 4-8 weeks you can grow again with exactly the same blast you did before.


Interesting

Did you find any studies that suggest that plateau if caused by increased myostatin from high dosages/strong steroids/lengthy cycle?

No but for what ever reason this works and people say it's myostatin

 

[Scottyhash74]

I agree Myostatin usually peaks by the 8wk mark limiting any furthur hypertrophy so most that cont. Blasting begin cutting or recomping. It's onlt 2x yearly that i do blast. And I always increase bulking calories by 1000 on workout days 600 2x weekly on rest daysl while i carb load.
Just wish i could vlow thru this plateau w a nice lean 10lbs.
Prepping cycle now any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Btw- this will be a recomp mostly.
Atm- I'm thinking Tren ace 400mgs weekly Superdrol 20-25mgs 1st 4wks.
No AI planned but have Aromasin on hand.
250mgs doesn't aromatize hardly for me amd the other 2 compounds are dry and non aromatizable.
Thx guys for your input so far!. Most appreciated.

 

[ANABOLIC/ENERGY]

This may give a new perspective.

Also shic cycles fit well for those of us who stay on such as cruise and trt.

http://www.anabolicsteroidforums.com/archive/index.php/t-29367.html

Try doing a search for "shic cycle"theory or simply shic cycles.

I usually never post as this is the Meso community's board but I had to recommend this as I and many others were in the same boat.

 

[Iron Vett]

If this guy is losing gains while off cycle then he needs to realize his problem is his routine (nutrition/training) while he is off of cycle. To many people think when the cycle is over it's time to take a break. False!! This is when it's time to get serious and push yourself harder. Keep doing the same weight as you did on cycle. You may not do as many reps but you will still be stressing the muscles. The strength is still there but the endurance won't be. Get serious off cycle and keep those gains!!

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

If this guy is losing gains while off cycle then he needs to realize his problem is his routine (nutrition/training) while he is off of cycle. To many people think when the cycle is over it's time to take a break. False!! This is when it's time to get serious and push yourself harder. Keep doing the same weight as you did on cycle. You may not do as many reps but you will still be stressing the muscles. The strength is still there but the endurance won't be. Get serious off cycle and keep those gains!!

A good "off" training regimen is needed. Ive found PL or lifting compound movements in low rep ranges is great for training without gear. I still get stronger when im off and is excellent for stimulating and maintaining gains from a cycle.

Training in high rep ranges is worthless when your OFF IMO. and actually i usually regress following that template

 

[grey]

Last 8wk run on NPP was 6lbs with a loss of adipose tissue which was more than I was anticipating.
3 months later only holding 3 of those lbs.

Gaining 6 total pound on a recomp and then holding half of that permanently isn't terrible for 8 weeks cycling.

Now if that had been intended to be a bulk it wouldn't be great... but as it is....

 

[Scottyhash74]

This may give a new perspective.

Also shic cycles fit well for those of us who stay on such as cruise and trt.

http://www.anabolicsteroidforums.com/archive/index.php/t-29367.html

Try doing a search for "shic cycle"theory or simply shic cycles.

I usually never post as this is the Meso community's board but I had to recommend this as I and many others were in the same boat.

Thanks Amabolic Energy. The private link you semt me was extremely interesting about short 30 day blasts.
I'm very interested in this approach w using super high doses for short periods after priming your body for an Anabolic environment. Could you please forward me thst link once agai
I will save it to my favorites. Want ro plan out one such short cycle most likely Superdrol, Tren Ace 700mgs week Trt test dose.
Thanks everyone for the soind advice. You guys put a back umdercmy ass. 205 8% bodyfat is my next goal I will obtain. Hell or high water.

 

[Cownan]

Your problem is your
A. Diet
B. Off cycle training regimen

Its a constant progression even off cycle just a much smaller one. You shouldnt be regressing if your cycling 2 times a year.

This is exactly what it is. You don't eat or train to maintain then you just go back to ground zero

I am also on trt and always get good results that stick when I hit blasts. I run 6 week blasts tho and then cruise for 6, get bloods done and then repeat. The 6 on and 6 off keep my levels good and when I see my endo at the end of the 6 weeks my bloods are clear and they can make sure I'm still healthy

 

[Docd187123]

They don't call it plateau for nothing.
Even with the strongest steroids, with high dosages you'll eventually plateau.

Besides keeping natural T, or health reasons,
the main purpose of cycling is to regain sensitivity to steroids.
i.e. let's take not of your current blast dosages and steroids types.
By getting off-cycle/cruising by 4-8 weeks you can grow again with exactly the same blast you did before.


Interesting

Did you find any studies that suggest that plateau if caused by increased myostatin from high dosages/strong steroids/lengthy cycle?

Ch**se and rice you're such a goddamned idiot

 

[master.on]

Ch**se and rice you're such a goddamned idiot

Stop insulting "doc"
insulting doesn't make up for your foolish decision to drop out of medical college.

 

[jJjburton]

Hello guys,
Quick overview-
43yrs. old
Trt self administered 200mgs. 1 weekly no AI needed.
Weight 198
5'10"
12% body fat closer 14-15imo
Abs obliques visible w a little vascularity.
Anyways for the last year my Bench Press, Squat, can't do deads bcuz of hernia & slipped disc L4. And Milotary hasn't gone up more than 10-20lbs. In my big 3 compound movements.
When i blast always short esters 1 or twice a year. My go to compounds are Tren & NPP depending on goals. All run
8wks. I keep test at 250 and run Tren @400 and if im using NPP 450-600.
While on Tren my gains are extra strength, vascularity, lowered bodyfat and 2-3lbs muscle gained. With NPP increased joint relief, xtra strength, more weight gain but less vascularity.
After 8wks off cycle my gains deminish again leaving me in the same place.
Anyone else feel their gains diminish off cycle just not nearly as quickly as cycling?
Looking into a injectable Ment cycle next 50mgs a day 60days. And injectable methyltrienolone 2mgs. daily 30 days.
Please inform me if anyone else is contending w this sane problem?
Thanks again guys!!

I have only TRT at 900 test level for 8 weeks. I have not workedout, and have been eating very little. My body will not go under 220. 2 years ago I was 165. So I keep a lot of what I gain on cycle, as off.I was 228 on cycle though.

 

[Scottyhash74]

This may give a new perspective.

Also shic cycles fit well for those of us who stay on such as cruise and trt.

http://www.anabolicsteroidforums.com/archive/index.php/t-29367.html

Try doing a search for "shic cycle"theory or simply shic cycles.

I usually never post as this is the Meso community's board but I had to recommend this as I and many others were in the same boat.

Thx for the input. And I am reading up alot more on SHIC cycles. Wtf worth a try! Priming seems essential to this method of cycling.

 

[Scottyhash74]

If this guy is losing gains while off cycle then he needs to realize his problem is his routine (nutrition/training) while he is off of cycle. To many people think when the cycle is over it's time to take a break. False!! This is when it's time to get serious and push yourself harder. Keep doing the same weight as you did on cycle. You may not do as many reps but you will still be stressing the muscles. The strength is still there but the endurance won't be. Get serious off cycle and keep those gains!!

Your absolutely correct! I agree w hitting the weights as hard w lower reps and diet is always top priority. Tbh this is the 1 area I have the most difficulty dialing in correctly. Ive experimented w numerous dieting methods and keto as much as it is a physical and mental drag has rendered my best results to date. Ive never used Clen,DNP, T3, or even an ECA stack to date. Ive manipulated enough of hormones within my body that I feel these approaches have no merit unless seeking sub 9-10% bodyfat percentages.
Thanks for the input.

 

[JC456]

The issue I see across all your posts in this thread is that you're not really pushing anything during the blasts.

You're not pushing bodyweight up significantly during the blast and you're not pushing leanness significantly either. The small amounts of weight increase you see, and the small amounts of leanness are entirely temporary cosmetic consequences of the gear. They enhance your weight by added glycogen and give the appearance of lower bodyfat.

That is not a consequence of your training or diet - those are simply small cosmetic changes which occur when you blast from cruise/natty.

For example I cruised for 3 months. I began pinning on Friday and two pins later I look almost exactly like I did at the end of the bulk in my avatar picture. Because that's just simply added cosmetic gains going from cruise to blast. Now I will blast for 3 months and REALLY PUSH changes.

You have to really push bodyweight when you're on hormones to make noticeable changes IMO. You can't just take a little, let the bodyfat decrease, let the muscles fill out a bit and VOILA. That doesn't work after a certain point, and being an older man myself I can attest that this applies even more as we age.

Bottom line, this next blast commit to one direction and fucking push it.

Or you're just shitting out your health for no benefit.

 

[Scottyhash74]

Would running a full PCT like the one Cashout posted, I believe he called it a Power PCT. Be a much needed rest on my CNS? Since starting my TRT ive never cycled off. I use 500ius of HCG every 4 days. No AI is needed at my current doseage to lower E2.
I am tempted to run this aggressive PCT protocal as i believe I am in need of break from all AAS.
Would this make my body much more receptive to a 4-6 wk SHIC blast than just cont. my cruise indefinetly? Do any of you guys who B&C or are prescribed TRT ever lay off the juice for any length of time?
Thanks again guys, for helping me out. And taking the time to reply to my post.

 

[Scottyhash74]

The issue I see across all your posts in this thread is that you're not really pushing anything during the blasts.
JC456 thanks for advise. Since starting AAS usage i have gone from 235lbs roughly 22-24% bf to

You're not pushing bodyweight up significantly during the blast and you're not pushing leanness significantly either. The small amounts of weight increase you see, and the small amounts of leanness are entirely temporary cosmetic consequences of the gear. They enhance your weight by added glycogen and give the appearance of lower bodyfat.

That is not a consequence of your training or diet - those are simply small cosmetic changes which occur when you blast from cruise/natty.

For example I cruised for 3 months. I began pinning on Friday and two pins later I look almost exactly like I did at the end of the bulk in my avatar picture. Because that's just simply added cosmetic gains going from cruise to blast. Now I will blast for 3 months and REALLY PUSH changes.

You have to really push bodyweight when you're on hormones to make noticeable changes IMO. You can't just take a little, let the bodyfat decrease, let the muscles fill out a bit and VOILA. That doesn't work after a certain point, and being an older man myself I can attest that this applies even more as we age.

Bottom line, this next blast commit to one direction and fucking push it.

Or you're just shitting out your health for no benefit.

The issue I see across all your posts in this thread is that you're not really pushing anything during the blasts.

You're not pushing bodyweight up significantly during the blast and you're not pushing leanness significantly either. The small amounts of weight increase you see, and the small amounts of leanness are entirely temporary cosmetic consequences of the gear. They enhance your weight by added glycogen and give the appearance of lower bodyfat.

That is not a consequence of your training or diet - those are simply small cosmetic changes which occur when you blast from cruise/natty.

For example I cruised for 3 months. I began pinning on Friday and two pins later I look almost exactly like I did at the end of the bulk in my avatar picture. Because that's just simply added cosmetic gains going from cruise to blast. Now I will blast for 3 months and REALLY PUSH changes.

You have to really push bodyweight when you're on hormones to make noticeable changes IMO. You can't just take a little, let the bodyfat decrease, let the muscles fill out a bit and VOILA. That doesn't work after a certain point, and being an older man myself I can attest that this applies even more as we age.

Bottom line, this next blast commit to one direction and fucking push it.

Or you're just shitting out your health for no benefit.

JC456 when i started using AAS roughly 3yrs ago ive gone from a sloppy 230lbs roughly 20% bf to roughly 200lbs @12-14%. I was exceptionally out of shape and morivation and hard work and of course AAS helped to let me finally see my abs, obliques, and muscle seperation that ive only dreamed about prior to my dedication. I have recent pics ill post but unfortunately no body pics prior mt usage.
Your correct in saying i am not pushing enough calories on my bulks bcuz I fear that ill lose too much definition doing so. And as a direct result ive limited my gains substantially! Summers over and my shirt won't be coming off for another 7-8 months. So this is the time to push my diet to the extreme. Thanks for shooting me the truth.
Here's a pic of me from 2wks ago. If i can dig up a pic from where i came from you'd undertand i don't want to jeopordize being a slob w bitch tits ever again. Took me until now at 43yrs old, to get myself to this point.