Trt at 18

[General Rex]

Hello Meso Rx members,
long story short, got diagnosed with a testosterone deficiency at 18yo, had no libido in the prime years of my life, always tired and moody. Bad Sleep etc.
Went to the doctor to check my hormones and the result was that my testicles didn’t produce enough testosterone, doc said it must have been something genetic, which led to my deficiency. Doctors put me on a trt to ensure growth and a ,,normal life’’.
Got into bodybuilding at 19yo and I’m training since then, I’m now 22 and already built a quite good physique.

I’m injecting my testosterone for 4 years now and I thought a lot about taking more than a trt dosage to see what’s possible because I will have to pin exo testosterone for the rest of my life anyway. For the last 4 months I got more into peptides and other peds, tried out some peps like ghk, bpc and finished my last diet with reta.
I’m aware that the use of more pharmaceuticals than needed will take years of my life.
Right now I’m trying to built a stack which I wanna run in the future and I’m researching on how to mantain my overall health and prevent any type of damage

Thanks

 

[BendigoShafter]

Height, weight, physique, etc? What is your current TRT dosage and what are your testosterone levels on that? What are your longterm goals for health vs bodybuilding?

 

[General Rex]

6`3, 87kg, not thinking about posting my physique, rn 150 test e split up into two injects and levels at about 1000 + -, Im talking about organ health, skin health etc. Keeping my hair and not dying in a few years because of kidney failure in the case of me actually doing a cycle

 

[Vitamin T]

Why don’t you just do a test only cycle if you’re being cautious about your health? Nothing wrong with that at all.

Primobolan is also a very safe anabolic to use. Test & Primo is a great cycle. Don’t expect monstrous gains, but do expect quality lean tissue gains with a polished look. You can also run it long due to its mild nature.

 

[General Rex]

yeah wanted to run test and hgh, but prob starting with test only. Would like to add primo but I dont think the current situation makes it possible to actually add primo. Not gonna except 20kg in a year but im sure more gains will be made

 

[Vitamin T]

yeah wanted to run test and hgh, but prob starting with test only. Would like to add primo but I dont think the current situation makes it possible to actually add primo. Not gonna except 20kg in a year but im sure more gains will be made

If you’re referring to the raws shortage situation, there’s plenty of legit primo about.

 

[Cman90]

Normally I would recommend younger guys to wait before using PED's, but the cats already out of the bag for you on that one.

I think you have the right idea of starting with test only. Maybe bump it up to 250/300mg, get labs, and adjust accordingly.

Make sure you do enough research to do it safely; monitoring BP, lipids, liver enzymes, e2, etc.

As far as hgh, you probably don't need it yet. Before you even consider it, get your IGF-1 checked.

 

[General Rex]

ould recommend younger guys to wait before using PED's, but the cats already out of the bag for you on that one.

Thank you, bloodtest already booked

 

[General Rex]

If you’re referring to the raws shortage situation, there’s plenty of legit primo about.

Yes, but how can you be so sure about the primo. Sellers will just send a legit vial of primo to jano, put the tested primo on their website and sell their primo stock as testosterone camouflaged as primo. Hope you understand what I mean.
Wouldnt trust anybody who sells something illegally, best thing is if you test something yourself

 

[BendigoShafter]

How are you ever going to acquire illegal drugs with that attitude? They could do the same with any other compound.

That said, you should stick with test only for a while.

 

[Vitamin T]

There are labs out there who encourage customers to blind test their products. They then offer store credit for it. So if they’re confident enough to encourage blind testing, what does that tell you?

A reputable lab who even attempted to do what you’re suggesting would get caught out quickly & it would be detrimental to their reputation.

There are some very good labs out there. It’s just knowing who to use.

If you don’t trust somebody who is selling steroids illegally, the underground steroid world isn’t for you buddy.

 

[Vitamin T]

How are you ever going to acquire illegal drugs with that attitude? They could do the same with any other compound.

That said, you should stick with test only for a while.

100% agreed on both points.

 

[General Rex]

How are you ever going to acquire illegal drugs with that attitude? They could do the same with any other compound.

That said, you should stick with test only for a while.

Yes obviously, but for example why should they sell ,,fake test'' if theres no shortage of raws?

To my understanding theres no shortage of raws of the things I want to buy so why be worried about that?

Wasnt going to buy primo in the first way so i didnt bother doing any reserach about it

There are labs out there who encourage customers to blind test their products. They then offer store credit for it. So if they’re confident enough to encourage blind testing, what does that tell you?

A reputable lab who even attempted to do what you’re suggesting would get caught out quickly & it would be detrimental to their reputation.

There are some very good labs out there. It’s just knowing who to use.

If you don’t trust somebody who is selling steroids illegally, the underground steroid world isn’t for you buddy.

So you trust your seller ? Your talking about blindtests and then about trusting your seller. You dont trust your seller if you have to make a blind test, no matter the outcome.

Your ,,trusted'' seller would sell you tap water if he makes more money.

know I have to trust someone selling me peds, but most batches of primo are underdosed or arent even primo, according to the lab tests ive seen

 

[General Rex]

And how many people are actually doing blind test of the things their buying?

Most people got their sources and hope for the best and trust them while buying.

 

[BendigoShafter]

What's your point? Nobody is telling you to take primo. We're telling you it's out there.

How do you square that attitude with your willingness to take random Chinese peptides?

 

[BendigoShafter]

Health and longevity:

- take moderate amounts of testosterone
- monitor bloodwork closely and address anything that gets out of line
- eat well
- sleep well
- don't be depressed
- rinse and repeat until you die

 

[Vitamin T]

Yes obviously, but for example why should they sell ,,fake test'' if theres no shortage of raws?

To my understanding theres no shortage of raws of the things I want to buy so why be worried about that?

Wasnt going to buy primo in the first way so i didnt bother doing any reserach about it

So you trust your seller ? Your talking about blindtests and then about trusting your seller. You dont trust your seller if you have to make a blind test, no matter the outcome.

Your ,,trusted'' seller would sell you tap water if he makes more money.

know I have to trust someone selling me peds, but most batches of primo are underdosed or arent even primo, according to the lab tests ive seen

You haven’t got a clue kiddo. You’re still young & sound very naive. I suggest you stick to your NHS TRT, this game ain’t for you.

If you’ve seen poor lab tests, then you obviously don’t have access to some of the quality labs that some of us do.

You’re still young with plenty of time to learn, but with that attitude, nobody will want to sell you their gear anyway if they’re a decent lab.

 

[Vitamin T]

What's your point? Nobody is telling you to take primo. We're telling you it's out there.

How do you square that attitude with your willingness to take

What's your point? Nobody is telling you to take primo. We're telling you it's out there.

How do you square that attitude with your willingness to take random Chinese peptides?

He’s very, very naive by the sounds of it mate.

 

[Vitamin T]

And how many people are actually doing blind test of the things their buying?

Most people got their sources and hope for the best and trust them while buying.

Plenty, I see regular Jano tests daily shared in groups that I’m in.

If you want to believe in your land of fairies that there’s no legit primo out there, or even Mast, then it’s up to you. I don’t care regardless, leave it to the big boys who know how to source properly.

 

[Cman90]

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