Trt, hcg trying to avoid AI...

[Theworm]

I'm on trt and went back and forth on adding hcg. Bottom line is I like my balls bigger etc...
I'm on 26 mg test SQ every 3 days, puts my TT around 500, E2 24.
Added hcg 250 twice a week and TT went to 600 and E2 to 42 with some soreness in my nips.
Here's my question, regarding arimidex, I know many will say to add this but it lowers my good cholesterol a bit. So would it be wise to lower my trt test down so that an AI would be avoided?
Maybe 20 mg test SQ every 3 days (instead of 26 mg) and lower hcg to 200 IU every 3 days?
Thanks for any advice..
I'm aware that a potential side effect of trt is increased cardiovascular risks, and hate to increase those risks by adding a compound known to wreck cholesterol.

 

[Jeffg353]

Can try switching to aromasin/Exemestane. I believe it doesn't effect cholesterol levels as extremely as arimidex. Can also try to decrease HCG/test dose as mentioned. It's going to be a pain in the ass going for bloodwork every couple of weeks to get it dialed in but ur thinking is on the right track. Will just need to experiment with it until u find the right balance.

 

[EcpertRealistic]

I'm on trt and went back and forth on adding hcg. Bottom line is I like my balls bigger etc...
I'm on 26 mg test SQ every 3 days, puts my TT around 500, E2 24.
Added hcg 250 twice a week and TT went to 600 and E2 to 42 with some soreness in my nips.
Here's my question, regarding arimidex, I know many will say to add this but it lowers my good cholesterol a bit. So would it be wise to lower my trt test down so that an AI would be avoided?
Maybe 20 mg test SQ every 3 days (instead of 26 mg) and lower hcg to 200 IU every 3 days?
Thanks for any advice..
I'm aware that a potential side effect of trt is increased cardiovascular risks, and hate to increase those risks by adding a compound known to wreck cholesterol.

Aromasin should not affect Cholesterol like Arimidex.

If your Estro is at 42 you can easily bring it down to 25 with only 6.25mgs of Aromasin and your estro will stay suppressed for 4-5 days.

 

[Naugahyde]

I'm on trt and went back and forth on adding hcg. Bottom line is I like my balls bigger etc...
I'm on 26 mg test SQ every 3 days, puts my TT around 500, E2 24.
Added hcg 250 twice a week and TT went to 600 and E2 to 42 with some soreness in my nips.
Here's my question, regarding arimidex, I know many will say to add this but it lowers my good cholesterol a bit. So would it be wise to lower my trt test down so that an AI would be avoided?
Maybe 20 mg test SQ every 3 days (instead of 26 mg) and lower hcg to 200 IU every 3 days?
Thanks for any advice..
I'm aware that a potential side effect of trt is increased cardiovascular risks, and hate to increase those risks by adding a compound known to wreck cholesterol.

I'd be on the side of reducing marginally your Test dose and or experimenting with dosing timing, rather than adding more chems to the mix.
On TRT 3 years - no Estro issues - yet.
Best of luck

 

[bmoney]

HCG will increase E2 and it’s hard to control with an AI. Although that dose of HCG is pretty low. I would consider dropping it to see if that helps.

 

[Robfromga]

Drop the hcg. Who cares about the size of your balls?

 

[Theworm]

Drop the hcg. Who cares about the size of your balls?

It's about shutting off an organ in the body, what about DHEA, pregnenolone adrenal function etc?

 

[master.on]

I'm on trt and went back and forth on adding hcg. Bottom line is I like my balls bigger etc...
I'm on 26 mg test SQ every 3 days, puts my TT around 500, E2 24.
Added hcg 250 twice a week and TT went to 600 and E2 to 42 with some soreness in my nips.
Here's my question, regarding arimidex, I know many will say to add this but it lowers my good cholesterol a bit. So would it be wise to lower my trt test down so that an AI would be avoided?
Maybe 20 mg test SQ every 3 days (instead of 26 mg) and lower hcg to 200 IU every 3 days?
Thanks for any advice..
I'm aware that a potential side effect of trt is increased cardiovascular risks, and hate to increase those risks by adding a compound known to wreck cholesterol.

Did you get Estradiol bloodwork?
IMO tiny dose Letro (half to one 2.5 mg tab A WEEK) works better than Arimidex.
Works like a charm and it's proven safe for long term use.
Letrozole once a week normalizes serum testosterone in obesity-related male hypogonadism. - PubMed - NCBI
Letrozole once a week normalizes serum testosterone in obesity-related male hypogonadism

Drop the hcg. Who cares about the size of your balls?

IMO
1 small balls feel/look awkward
2 testis make many other beneficial substances than Testosterone, i.e. Pregnenolone, that HCG may allow to recover.

 

[Naugahyde]

It's about shutting off an organ in the body, what about DHEA, pregnenolone adrenal function etc?

Dropping HCG will shut off adrenal function - sources?

 

[Theworm]

Dropping HCG will shut off adrenal function - sources?

LH (Luteinizing Hormone) Receptors

 

[Naugahyde]

LH (Luteinizing Hormone) Receptors

'...clearly more studywork (?) is needed. But It is definitely in the realm of possibility that having very low LH like I have could somewhat negatively affect the adrenals'. Says some anonymous guy on PEAK TESTOSTERONE - from the link you posted.
Not exactly Stephen Hawking is he? - but I'm sure he's more jacked!

 

[Theworm]

'...clearly more studywork (?) is needed. But It is definitely in the realm of possibility that having very low LH like I have could somewhat negatively affect the adrenals'. Says some anonymous guy on PEAK TESTOSTERONE - from the link you posted.
Not exactly Stephen Hawking is he? - but I'm sure he's more jacked!

He posted the study that hcg stimulated cortisol, see reference 1.
Anyway, I'm sure pregnenolone and DHEA and stimulating different LH receptors is better (i.e. With hcg) than without.
I'm going to shoot for 150 iu every 3 days and check labs etc. unfortunately there is no studies showing the minimal effect dose of hcg that provides benefits...

I'm sure in 10 years we will know much much more.

 

[Naugahyde]

He posted the study that hcg stimulated cortisol, see reference 1.
Anyway, I'm sure pregnenolone and DHEA and stimulating different LH receptors is better (i.e. With hcg) than without.
I'm going to shoot for 150 iu every 3 days and check labs etc. unfortunately there is no studies showing the minimal effect dose of hcg that provides benefits...

I'm sure in 10 years we will know much much more.

Pretty sure cortisol production functions independently of exogenous HCG. Yet to see definitive studies re the rest - so far. But if it works for you more power to ya.
Some guys say it helps with general mood etc - and others say the exact opposite. Never felt I'm missing anything and my bloods on TRT with Aas solo have been spot on - apart from a slight HCrit elevation which is resolving now with lower dosing.
Do you feel any different on TRT with HCG Vs without?

 

[Theworm]

Pretty sure cortisol production functions independently of exogenous HCG. Yet to see definitive studies re the rest - so far. But if it works for you more power to ya.
Some guys say it helps with general mood etc - and others say the exact opposite. Never felt I'm missing anything and my bloods on TRT with Aas solo have been spot on - apart from a slight HCrit elevation which is resolving now with lower dosing.
Do you feel any different on TRT with HCG Vs without?

My point is that your testicles and LH do other functions than test testosterone.

I'm really confused as what's best for me. I did fine on just trt but felt better on hcg. I just feel like the idea of some natural test production going... I don't have evidence it's better...
I also have no idea on dosing as I want hcg but not wanting to add an AI. I already have gyno.
I was thinking trt 20 mg SQ every 3 days and starting with 100 iu hcg every 3 days and checking E2 after a few weeks

 

[Michael Scally MD]

LH (Luteinizing Hormone) Receptors

 

[Theworm]

View attachment 78677

Lol.
Dr scaly, @Michael Scally MD I am secondary hypo
I hate shutting down an organ (testes)
I also hate adding stuff not necessary (arimidex)
Thoughts on my current trt (26 mg) every 3 days (TT 500 and E2 21)
On 250 hcg every 3 days my TT went to 600 and E2 46.
Think I should do 100 hcg every 3 days and recheck or just forget out it and my balls etc. lol

 

[Michael Scally MD]

Lol.
Dr scaly, @Michael Scally MD I am secondary hypo
I hate shutting down an organ (testes)
I also hate adding stuff not necessary (arimidex)
Thoughts on my current trt (26 mg) every 3 days (TT 500 and E2 21)
On 250 hcg every 3 days my TT went to 600 and E2 46.
Think I should do 100 hcg every 3 days and recheck or just forget out it and my balls etc. lol

Understand, I was opining on the link.

 

[Theworm]

Understand, I was opining on the link.

I know... what's ur opinion on my question on hcg?

 

[Deleted member 59947]

I know... what's ur opinion on my question on hcg?

He doesn’t have opinions, he randomly post studies out of the blue with no comments as to their interest.

That’s all he does

 

[Dale338]

I rotate on and off HCG, when I tire of my balls being tiny. They come back within 10 days. This is typically how I run it.

When on my TRT dose only, I do not need arimidex. When I add in 1000 mg (500 twice weekly) my balls come roaring back, but my E2 will spike in the high 40's to low 50's within 2-3 weeks. So when I decide to add in HCG, I will take 1/3 a 1mg dose of airmidex the day after each test injection. This will generally keep my E2 in the 20's. When I come off the HCG, (generally 6 weeks on, 6 weeks off it) I will drop the arimidex.

I personally find no benefit whatsoever to adding HCG, other than ball size. In fact, it does not help my libido at all. But when your girl is feeling around down there and she's one of those types who like balls, it's embarrassing to have two small nuts down there. Women gauge a man's virtality, sexual prowess, etc on his ball size instinctually. This shit is real and we can all deny it all we want. I refuse to let me girl cup my boys when they are all shriveled up.