TRT help

[Yeabuddyron]

Really been thrown for a loop lately. I've been dialing in my trt for about 8 months now. I started at 150mg every 7 days and had trouble with e2 but libido was sky high until e2 got too high. I never could quite get the AI down so I followed the advice of people and kept lowering my dose until I found a good spot. I am now down to 50 mg every 6 days. I crashed my e2 before I realized I didn't need any Ai on this dose which was the goal and I have since let it rebound but now I have no libido and erections that come and go during sex. Morning wood is still pretty common.. Last bloods at 48 hrs were as follows.

878TT
156FT
29E2 ultrasensitive

Bloodwork on 150mg every 7 days was
1183TT
268FT
82 Estradiol Ultrasensitive

I finally get bloodwork to a fucking normal level now I feel like chewed bubblegum. Please help.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Numbers are only indicators, they aren’t things to be “treated.” How long have you been on your lower dose?

 

[Yeabuddyron]

6 weeks

 

[Jestopherson]

Have you tried more frequent injections? Bolus doses are more likely to cause high e2 than running say 50mg m/w/f. More pinning but honestly 5/16 31g in the quad and its a piece of cake

That way you can at the very least experiment with more test again since your libido was better then.

 

[Yeabuddyron]

I've tried pinning e3d at 125mg a week but e2 still rose way out of range with no Ai.

 

[Jestopherson]

I've tried pinning e3d at 125mg a week but e2 still rose way out of range with no Ai.

I'd honestly play around with it!

Regardless of the ester I run 3x a week minimum. Could break that into an eod set up which with a 2 week average would put you at 35mg eod.

There's a guy called anabolicdoc on YouTube apparently he doesn't prescribe AIs at all as he's found he can control all of his patients estrogen levels via administration frequency. Not saying it will for sure work but if my dick wasn't working I'd be pinning everyday to get it going If I needed to.

 

[Jestopherson]

I've tried pinning e3d at 125mg a week but e2 still rose way out of range with no Ai.

Regardless I feel for you dude. I'm by no means a heavy aromatizer. 600mg a week puts me in the middle of the reference range. Hopefully you get it sorted!

 

[Yeabuddyron]

Appreciate the advice. I still can't for the life of me figure out how I have low libido at a FT at the maximum of range. I should not require 2x normal ft to feel amazing. I'm sure running 2x the normal limit for years on end I'll probably stroke out at some point.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

We see a lot ofnthese threads float by and TBH, it’s rarely the gear that’s causing the issues.

I would look elsewhere, but try the suggestion above as well.

 

[Yeabuddyron]

Do you think I should just go back to 150mg a week where I felt good forget about the numbers and just use an Ai to get estrogen in the green?

 

[Mac11wildcat]

No, I would absolutely search for a place you don’t need anti-e for TRT.

 

[Yeabuddyron]

After you crash your estrogen is there a lag period before your bloods are normal but your body is not. I feel like all my sides are low e related but bloods show its normal.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Possible. Usually once estrogen finally rebounds people find relief but everyone’s different. I will add, again, that a lot of the problems that may have stemmed from these issues don’t necessarily continue because of them. If that makes sense.

 

[Badandy]

What’s you shbg. Level. That will help guide frequency. I to three time a week because I feel less highs and lows. Doc doesn’t care as line as I don’t self increase dose. Also check out excelmale.com. Loads of trt experience and knowledge there

 

[Yeabuddyron]

My shbg is low. I'm assuming 800 is just not optimal for me. I took an extra dose and feel loads better. I think from here on out I will run around 1000 and control estrogen with aromasin.

 

[Ryu82]

Couple add on questions unless I missed it:

Are you pinning sub-q or IM?
Whats your BF%
Have you checked your pregnanolone and DHEA numbers?

 

[Ryu82]

Sorry, forgot to ask about your progesterone levels as well...

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[Yeabuddyron]

I'm pinning sub q. Haven't had either of those tested no.

 

[TrenTrenTren]

I'm pinning sub q. Haven't had either of those tested no.

I pin everything sub q. Everything. I never go IM. I really think it stabilizes the release of the compound into the system.

 

[Harley00]

Everyday injections, is the best for trt.

Ex , i can take 200mg a week injecting every day at 0.14ml (200mg/ml) which equals 28mg of test, with zero extra aromatization other then what estrogen matches the testosterone dosage needed.

Or

I can take 150mg 3x a week at 0.25ml which equals 50mg of test each injection, and eventually end up with estrogen to high.

Werid eh... not really taking 0.14ml every day is more stable then taking any dosage 2x or 3 x a week because by doing that your makin too big of waves, those waves bring estrogen when your test or tt drop. So every major flauctuation think estrogen.

Pinning every day maintains a consistant level of testosterone, that estrogen can match. So everyday your hitting prime optimal levels with the right amount of estrogen for each dosage you pick.