TRT week 4

[zaarel2]

Well I think from what I read this is normal and not imagined but I will throw it out there. I had started feeling a little more energy and libido (other than week 2 of the flu) and now suddenly in week 4 I feel drained. Energy lagging , libido lagging. Is this because test levels rising are when energy and libido are highest? or because in the initial few weeks I had total T production from my body AND the gel and now shutting down my own?

lol or am I just tired this week? Any feedback appreciated as always.

 

[greatgro]

Is this because test levels rising are when energy and libido are highest? or because in the initial few weeks I had total T production from my body AND the gel and now shutting down my own?

I noticed THE EXACT SAME THING. Felt best during days 10-30 of my TRT late last fall. Felt like superman. Still haven't felt like that since. MY OPINION is that it was the exogenous Test (gel) combined with my natural production plus still having somewhat reasonable LH levels (and the potential goodies LH may bring - see some of SWALE's posts). So although I don't feel any where near that good any more, I'm quite hopeful that after my Test levels are completely tuned, starting HcG will bring back that level of libido, energy and well-being. So hang in there!

 

[pmgamer18]

It could be that your testis are not making the T they were before you went on the gel. So after 4 weeks on 5 grams of gel you will drop down to what you were before starting on the gel. This is why you need to be tested every 4 weeks. You may have went up higher when you first started then your Testis were told to make less and your back to were you were or a little higher. Most need to be on 10 grams.
Phil

 

[zaarel2]

Thanks for the answers guys. I am being a good little boy and resisting the temptaion to up my dose. I know that would be stupid and would play havoc in getting tuned properly. Hoping blood test results come in quickly and show the need to up it though. I just got my first followups drawn Monday.

 

[SWALE]

pmgamer--I think I have one patient on 10 grams per day Androgel.

 

[pmgamer18]

Could this be that they are also on Hcg.
Phil

 

[Desmo996]

I found that 5mg of AndroGel was just about useless for me, it just shut down my natural production with very little increase in Total T (221 before TRT 299 after). I also felt the boost in the beginning and then it quickly tapered off. I too believe there is a nice jump in the beginning because you natural production isn't shut down yet, so you have elevated levels for a short period of time. I am now using 10 mg, it is working great, I have even gone up to 15mg for 3 weeks, just to get the blood work done. I was still with in the normal range for Total T(745 - 261-827) and Estradiol(30 - <52 from memory). My libido and energy levels went up for a little when my physician increased my dose to 10mg, and again when I did the short 15mg dose. None of the increases in AndroGel gave me the sex drive as I got/get when I add Nolvadex at 10-20mg a day. SWALE, is there any sense to that, why does the Nolvadex seem to have a stronger effect on my libido then Test? Maybe it is the combined effect of both meds or an increase in LH from the Nolvadex. Then again, I don't stay on the Nolv. very long, so it may be having the same temporary effect as the AndroGel, I am just not on the Nolv. long enough for me to notice a decilne. I wonder if I should drop back down to 5mgs and add HCG, like pmpamer18 is talking about.

 

[pmgamer18]

Hi I don't get relief for sore joints and muscles taking Testim or Androge. My Dr. hads been giving me shots on top of the gel to stop the pain. But this drives up my E2 Estradiol and causes all kinds of problems. I also tryed 15 grams of tesim and my E2 went nuts and no relief from the pain. So I had to go to war with my Dr. to just do the shots it does not make sense to do both. So I am now on my 4th week doing 100 mg of Depo T. shots every week and I now feel my best in 21 yrs. Now I am going to war again to get Hcg added.
Phil

 

[SWALE]

PM--The only thing that matters is that you find what works for YOU. This is why TRT MUST be customized for each patient, not a cookie-cutter approach.

 

[pmgamer18]

Thanks SWALE you are right there but I find it odd that a lot of men over 50 that have sore joints and muscles are getting relief from different forms of TRT but higher levels. Yet I am now on a very low dose 100 mgs. a week of Depo shots and feel much better. Now all I have to do is get my Dr. to give me Hcg. In the past I was doing 10 grams of Testim and a 100 mgs. of Depo shots every other week. But this is the best so far.
Phil