True One-And-Done Cycle Advice, Please!

LiveWired25

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Hi All,

I’m a 24-year-old baseball player and bodybuilder. After batting .500 my freshman year on Varsity, and above .400 through HS, I decided to run track my Sr. year and tore my hammy shortly after running the 100m in 10.9 seconds. (I ran the 60yd dash in tennis shoes on grass, in 6.6 seconds, comparable to Kenny Lofton in his heyday, which encouraged this stupid move to run track-pure ego). Having detracted my baseball career and falling into depression after my original baseball coach, my grandfather, passed on just before my Sr. year, I decided not to pursue baseball in college as I lost my passion for it. I replaced this passion with my love for training, and gained plenty of strength and size from 145 to 165, despite living and struggling through undiagnosed hypothyroidism which also contributed heavily to my depressed state.

After I was diagnosed and put on synthroid 100 mg things changed drastically. I lost my depression, anxiety, and rekindled my love of competition. Without my level of raw talent for baseball, I wouldn’t still be pursuing the game. I plan on pushing my limits into my 30’s, for the love of the game if nothing else.

That being said, I need to make up for lost time with my progression to compete with professionals; in the minor leagues at least. If that doesn’t even work out, then I won’t be as far behind in bodybuilding. Because of this, I’ve decided to run a cycle. I’ve been training hard the last 5 years with the knowledge I’ve attained from a degree in Exercise Science supplemented more recently with heavy research into steroids. I've tried very supplement out there, especially test boosters and even epistane. I feel I’m ready for this carefully calculated risk of in the upcoming year.

My goals is to play baseball at the highest level still attainable in my circumstance. I hope that, at my height of 5’8’’, to go from 172 to 185 lbs. and go from 13% to 8% body fat; drop my 60yd dash to 6.4, and raise my vertical to 36’’ from 28’’. This is the ideal outcome, I’m aware of the dedication required for this endeavor. As far as ‘roid newbs go, I’m also aware of the power of steroids when combined with intelligent diet and training.

To gain 15 pounds, I will have calories up to 3,500/ day, focused around my afternoon lift, and implementing Intermittent fasting with fasted HIIT cardio every morning. My macronutrients hover close to 40 PRO/40 CHO/20 Fat, primarily slow carbs and omega-3’s. I will be doing legs on separate days, twice a week (Sunday/Thursday), Sunday with explosive Olympic lifts; daily aerobic, flexibility and core training, 4 days EW for my arms, shoulders, chest, and back.

I don’t plan on needing more strength and size then one well-planned out cycle will provide, so I’d like to push beyond a simple beginner cycle of test seeing as I, a) can only see myself doing a steroid cycle because I have limited time to make big gains before competing in a tested environment, b) I’m wary of letting anabolic steroids become a psychological crutch to lean on going forward, and c) nor do I expect to become an MLB hopeful as a result of doing subsequent cycles wherein the law of diminishing returns comes into play moving forward- especially for my body type (meso/ecto). Essentially, I want to expediate this process so I can be playing at my highest potential at 25 instead of 27, so that I have three years instead of one to reach the ‘critical point’ in getting scouting interest. With that said, I plan to run a hard ‘One-and-Done’ cycle which, despite what people say about how others never only do ‘just one’ cycle, I’m for real here. Besides that, it’s probably easier on my body than starting easier and waiting until my third cycle to see these results and wasting even more of my precious time. So this is my plan, and whether I should be taking a softer beginner steroid cycle or not, please spare me the ‘just do test’ cycle advice, unless you truly believe that will maximize my progress. I’m looking for advice pertaining to my specific situation and goals, not the conventional goals many on this board are probably wary of hearing from anxious newbs.

I'm thinking that, as a recomp of sorts, Test base is always best, Tren Ace for nutrient shuttling and stupid strength, Masteron to reduce SHBG and buffer the amounts of the Test/Tren required, which might off-set each's side-effects; hairline be damned. I'm running the DBol to jumpstart my strength gains and read Bill Roberts opinion that Tren is synergistic with DBol, which I'm all about. Anavar because I already have it and its good for aesthetic and strength purposes.

Weeks 1-3:

-Test P/ Tren Ace/Mast P: 25 mgs each/day= 175 mgs each/ week= 525 mgs total/week

-D-Bol @ 25 mgs ED

Weeks 3-10:

Test E/ Tren Hex/Mast E= 250 mgs each/week= 750 mgs total/ week;
-FL Test E Week 3 (500 mgs)

Weeks 7-12:

Anavar= 50 mgs/Day= 350 mgs/ week

Week 11-12:

-Test P/Mast P/ Tren A 25 mgs/ Day =175mgs each/Week =525 mgs total/week

-Aromasin 12.5 mgs ED; HCG 200 IU’s EOD, throughout

PCT:

-Nolva: 40, 40, 20, 20, 10

-Clomid: 100, 50, 25, 12.5,

-Aromasin 25 mg/ day,

-HCGenerate ED, Phosphatidyl Serine, 3 g / Day,

-Ostarine: 25 mg/ Day Week 1-2

Support Supps: Milk Thistle 2-3 g; TUDCA 600 mgs AM/PM; NAC 750 mgs; Cranberry Juice w/ PWO, Taurine 1 g AM/PM; Vitamin C 2 g; Fish Oil 5 g; BCAA’s 10 g morning/afternoon; Beta Alanine 2.3 g; Creatine Mag.Chelate 3g Post; Cissus Quadrangularis 3 g; Curcumin 350 mgs; CLA 3 g,

Dendrobium 2-3 grams PWO, Caffeine-100 mgs, L-Norvaline- 250 mgs, L-Citrulline- 3 grams
Cardarine 20 mgs with cardio Every day.
Cabergoline on hand
I will be doing 1 hour fasted cardio @ 7:30 AM, with ECY, Cardarine, 10 g BCAA’s, Agmatine Sulfate, followed by my first Whey Protein Isolate shake. Lifting 5-6 days/week from 4:30-6PM.

--Any suggestions for my plan? Would the short-estered injections be more suitable in the AM prior to cardio, or afternoon prior to lift in the evening? Does it make much difference?
--I was considering EQ but I dont want to be on for 16-20 weeks.
--I was also condering Deca/NPP but the only advantage here seems to be joint protection, and I'm running joint supplements galore anyway.
--I would consider Primo but with all I'm running I'm already broke after this.

Grateful for any veteran advice, I know this was a longer post!
 
Hi All,

I’m a 24-year-old baseball player and bodybuilder. After batting .500 my freshman year on Varsity, and above .400 through HS, I decided to run track my Sr. year and tore my hammy shortly after running the 100m in 10.9 seconds. (I ran the 60yd dash in tennis shoes on grass, in 6.6 seconds, comparable to Kenny Lofton in his heyday, which encouraged this stupid move to run track-pure ego). Having detracted my baseball career and falling into depression after my original baseball coach, my grandfather, passed on just before my Sr. year, I decided not to pursue baseball in college as I lost my passion for it. I replaced this passion with my love for training, and gained plenty of strength and size from 145 to 165, despite living and struggling through undiagnosed hypothyroidism which also contributed heavily to my depressed state.

After I was diagnosed and put on synthroid 100 mg things changed drastically. I lost my depression, anxiety, and rekindled my love of competition. Without my level of raw talent for baseball, I wouldn’t still be pursuing the game. I plan on pushing my limits into my 30’s, for the love of the game if nothing else.

That being said, I need to make up for lost time with my progression to compete with professionals; in the minor leagues at least. If that doesn’t even work out, then I won’t be as far behind in bodybuilding. Because of this, I’ve decided to run a cycle. I’ve been training hard the last 5 years with the knowledge I’ve attained from a degree in Exercise Science supplemented more recently with heavy research into steroids. I've tried very supplement out there, especially test boosters and even epistane. I feel I’m ready for this carefully calculated risk of in the upcoming year.

My goals is to play baseball at the highest level still attainable in my circumstance. I hope that, at my height of 5’8’’, to go from 172 to 185 lbs. and go from 13% to 8% body fat; drop my 60yd dash to 6.4, and raise my vertical to 36’’ from 28’’. This is the ideal outcome, I’m aware of the dedication required for this endeavor. As far as ‘roid newbs go, I’m also aware of the power of steroids when combined with intelligent diet and training.

To gain 15 pounds, I will have calories up to 3,500/ day, focused around my afternoon lift, and implementing Intermittent fasting with fasted HIIT cardio every morning. My macronutrients hover close to 40 PRO/40 CHO/20 Fat, primarily slow carbs and omega-3’s. I will be doing legs on separate days, twice a week (Sunday/Thursday), Sunday with explosive Olympic lifts; daily aerobic, flexibility and core training, 4 days EW for my arms, shoulders, chest, and back.

I don’t plan on needing more strength and size then one well-planned out cycle will provide, so I’d like to push beyond a simple beginner cycle of test seeing as I, a) can only see myself doing a steroid cycle because I have limited time to make big gains before competing in a tested environment, b) I’m wary of letting anabolic steroids become a psychological crutch to lean on going forward, and c) nor do I expect to become an MLB hopeful as a result of doing subsequent cycles wherein the law of diminishing returns comes into play moving forward- especially for my body type (meso/ecto). Essentially, I want to expediate this process so I can be playing at my highest potential at 25 instead of 27, so that I have three years instead of one to reach the ‘critical point’ in getting scouting interest. With that said, I plan to run a hard ‘One-and-Done’ cycle which, despite what people say about how others never only do ‘just one’ cycle, I’m for real here. Besides that, it’s probably easier on my body than starting easier and waiting until my third cycle to see these results and wasting even more of my precious time. So this is my plan, and whether I should be taking a softer beginner steroid cycle or not, please spare me the ‘just do test’ cycle advice, unless you truly believe that will maximize my progress. I’m looking for advice pertaining to my specific situation and goals, not the conventional goals many on this board are probably wary of hearing from anxious newbs.

I'm thinking that, as a recomp of sorts, Test base is always best, Tren Ace for nutrient shuttling and stupid strength, Masteron to reduce SHBG and buffer the amounts of the Test/Tren required, which might off-set each's side-effects; hairline be damned. I'm running the DBol to jumpstart my strength gains and read Bill Roberts opinion that Tren is synergistic with DBol, which I'm all about. Anavar because I already have it and its good for aesthetic and strength purposes.

Weeks 1-3:

-Test P/ Tren Ace/Mast P: 25 mgs each/day= 175 mgs each/ week= 525 mgs total/week

-D-Bol @ 25 mgs ED

Weeks 3-10:

Test E/ Tren Hex/Mast E= 250 mgs each/week= 750 mgs total/ week;
-FL Test E Week 3 (500 mgs)

Weeks 7-12:

Anavar= 50 mgs/Day= 350 mgs/ week

Week 11-12:

-Test P/Mast P/ Tren A 25 mgs/ Day =175mgs each/Week =525 mgs total/week

-Aromasin 12.5 mgs ED; HCG 200 IU’s EOD, throughout

PCT:

-Nolva: 40, 40, 20, 20, 10

-Clomid: 100, 50, 25, 12.5,

-Aromasin 25 mg/ day,

-HCGenerate ED, Phosphatidyl Serine, 3 g / Day,

-Ostarine: 25 mg/ Day Week 1-2

Support Supps: Milk Thistle 2-3 g; TUDCA 600 mgs AM/PM; NAC 750 mgs; Cranberry Juice w/ PWO, Taurine 1 g AM/PM; Vitamin C 2 g; Fish Oil 5 g; BCAA’s 10 g morning/afternoon; Beta Alanine 2.3 g; Creatine Mag.Chelate 3g Post; Cissus Quadrangularis 3 g; Curcumin 350 mgs; CLA 3 g,

Dendrobium 2-3 grams PWO, Caffeine-100 mgs, L-Norvaline- 250 mgs, L-Citrulline- 3 grams
Cardarine 20 mgs with cardio Every day.
Cabergoline on hand
I will be doing 1 hour fasted cardio @ 7:30 AM, with ECY, Cardarine, 10 g BCAA’s, Agmatine Sulfate, followed by my first Whey Protein Isolate shake. Lifting 5-6 days/week from 4:30-6PM.

--Any suggestions for my plan? Would the short-estered injections be more suitable in the AM prior to cardio, or afternoon prior to lift in the evening? Does it make much difference?
--I was considering EQ but I dont want to be on for 16-20 weeks.
--I was also condering Deca/NPP but the only advantage here seems to be joint protection, and I'm running joint supplements galore anyway.
--I would consider Primo but with all I'm running I'm already broke after this.

Grateful for any veteran advice, I know this was a longer post!
This is the most complicated first cycle I have ever seen proposed... Holy shit man, did you just wanna try everything at once? Please don't confuse yourself into believing there is a "one and done" cycle, that'll make you 1 in a million...

You should just do a simple cycle of test. enan. @500mg's for 12 weeks and feel it out from there.

Some of the questions you are asking show me that you need a lot more research and more mild cycles under your belt to consider taking something like this on... Good luck, i'll be glad to help if you can level with me and realize this just won't work.
 
Yeah, I suppose its a lot, I got the idea from the cutaxyl 150, but if Test will get me there and thats it, Im willing to give it a go. To level with you 100%, I do want to try it all at once, safely of course, but yeah, all at once. lol
 
What questions did I ask that show you I require more research? The more experience thing I completely understand, but not where m questions imply a lack of research.
 
Yeah, I suppose its a lot, I got the idea from the cutaxyl 150, but if Test will get me there and thats it, Im willing to give it a go. To level with you 100%, I do want to try it all at once, safely of course, but yeah, all at once. lol
That is oxymoronic man, it's NOT safe to try it all at once. Let me propose a scenario, and see if then you agree:

Today you pin your first shot of EQ, Tren E and Test E. 2 weeks in the future your BP is racing and your dick doesn't work. What caused it? You wouldn't have the slightest clue how you react to each compound from previous cycles.

I ALWAYS recommend people try 1 new compound at a time. Feel it out. Everyone responds differently, this isn't black and white.

You will have PLENTY of results w/ the test @ 500 a week man. Trust me.
 
I forgot mention it, but I was planning on adding the test p day 1, mast p day4-5, tren a day 8-9 to see how I reacted to each, but I understand what you mean. Especially with your long estered examples.
 
I forgot mention it, but I was planning on adding the test p day 1, mast p day4-5, tren a day 8-9 to see how I reacted to each, but I understand what you mean. Especially with your long estered examples.
Still takes ~10 days for short esters to hit saturation. There's a reason people don't start with cycles like this. What happens when you get bunk mast and primo, they're both test and now you're taking 2g's of test a week, and have no fucking clue why your nipples are swollen and in intense pain?
 
Ok. So one at a time. With that in mind is Var for the last 6 weeks OK after I know I reacted well to Test?
I have enough Var for 3 or 4 cycles IF its legit. I still need to check the melt pt first, obviously I'm skeptical.
 
Yes, that should be fine. Just buy a labmax for var/winny. Normally labmax is iffy, but this is the cheapest method to tell if there's var in there. Make sure you buy the one labeled for winny/var, as it's a different test.
 
Sweet, will do. And to answer your hypothetical question, I would up the aromasin and drop the dosage for a week, after consulting you guys of course. This is why I asked, and why I'll be testing the gear I get first
 
Sweet, will do. And to answer your hypothetical question, I would up the aromasin and drop the dosage for a week, after consulting you guys of course. This is why I asked, and why I'll be testing the gear I get first
Which wouldn't be the right thing to do, but I appreciate your candor. We'll be here to help, just try and be as open as possible as a lot of the guys here can help you a ton,
 
Yep I wouldn't be asking these questions if I had my mind set already, I appreciate the advice.
For sources, I have two in mind I've searched on google that look legit and willing to risk it on, from china, but is there a way to find more reliable sources from you guys and/or verify my sources with you guys?
 
I am going out on a limb and say OP's going to run his cycle regardless what we say..He made up his mind already.. just looking for someone--anyone to confirm that it's a perfect cycle..
 
Wrong, Crouching Liger, Flaming Dragon, you burned the limb you're on. I might be impatient but I'm listening to those who have traveled this road many times before me, even if I want to do all the gear I originally posted, I know now thats not the way to go. Besides, how much more fuss and money would that take compared to a simple Test run? I'll send you my address so you can help me afford your limb's vantage point. Then again, this is the internet, so speculate all you want. Thanks for the advice, guys. Bump on the sources and HCGenerate question.
 
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Although I must say, I WAS originally proud of my 'perfect' cycle, but its probably not for me and I'm glad I don't require it.
 
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