True One-And-Done Cycle Advice, Please!

[LocK]

Wtf wait? You want to run 8 compounds on top of ai and hcg for your first cycle?
Whatever gains you make you won't know what your gaining from. Just run
Test e 12 weeks at 500mg/w
And maybe dbol or var.
that only will give you solid gains

 

[PinMeetMeat]

Wrong, Crouching Liger, Flaming Dragon, you burned the limb you're on. I might be impatient but I'm listening to those who have traveled this road many times before me, even if I want to do all the gear I originally posted, I know now thats not the way to go. Besides, how much more fuss and money would that take compared to a simple Test run? I'll send you my address so you can help me afford your limb's vantage point. Then again, this is the internet, so speculate all you want. Thanks for the advice, guys. Bump on the sources and HCGenerate question.

Yeah drop the HCgenerate. Completely bogus waste of money there. As for sources we won't tell you a source but if you find one feel free to search for info and if there isn't any ask. Never listen to someone giving sources over PM. There is some good testing info on some sources by checking Anabolic Lab.

 

[Big_paul]

There is only one reason athletes use PED's and continue to use them. That is because if you don't continue to use them you will return to who you are naturally without steroids.

 

[Yeabuddyron]

Test e 12 weeks and dbol kicker for 4-6 weeks will get you 15 lbs plus if you eat and train right but to me for someone who has trained for 5 years you should be bigger than you are now but it is what it is. The first cycle with test and dbol is imo the best you'll ever get. It's like smoking weed. You'll never get as high as you did your first time.

 

[LiveWired25]

Big_Paul, Glad I didnt buy the HCGenerate then. So you're saying all the new muscle stem cells you created, the sarcomeres network you proliferated while 'ON' will disappear, or just 'deflate'? Because I plan on training and eating and supplementing with everything I can afterwards, and I hope to some extent muscle cell count, and muscle memory remain afterward.

 

[LiveWired25]

Yeabuddyron, I was training more for strength and speed than for size for the first four years there. Being hypothyroid for most of it made it slower, my workouts weren't the same intensity at all, and my test levels were around 400 before and with synthroid jumped to 680. Mightve been the epistane suppressoin but that was almost a half year before I got tested. Anyway I'll keep that in mind! Would Dbol and Anavar be too much of a kicker for the liver, or useless together? I just have so much Anavar I'll probably never use, it'd just be a waste.

 

[Yeabuddyron]

Well if you have var then scrap the dbol and just use the var. The test alone will be godly enough for you considering your test is naturally low. A little var thrown in with the diet will help you drop that fat a little easier.

 

[LiveWired25]

Ok after serious reconsideration...
Test E 500 1-12
Anavar 80 mg 6-12
Aromasin 12.5 mg EOD
1 or 2 week washout ?
Should I still use HCG if I can get some?

 

[Yeabuddyron]

If you want to bounce back faster hcg will never hurt to throw in.

 

[canadian mutant]

Ok after serious reconsideration...
Test E 500 1-12
Anavar 80 mg 6-12
Aromasin 12.5 mg EOD
1 or 2 week washout ?
Should I still use HCG if I can get some?

HCG yes absolutely. Not "HCgenerate" tho as you first said lol. That shit is a scam from another board evo. They sell that shit hard there and recommend it in cycles but it doesnt do shit !

 

[Flaming Dragon]

Wrong, Crouching Liger, Flaming Dragon, you burned the limb you're on. I might be impatient but I'm listening to those who have traveled this road many times before me, even if I want to do all the gear I originally posted, I know now thats not the way to go. Besides, how much more fuss and money would that take compared to a simple Test run? I'll send you my address so you can help me afford your limb's vantage point. Then again, this is the internet, so speculate all you want. Thanks for the advice, guys. Bump on the sources and HCGenerate question.

Well, someone got their panties in knot! LOL... We shall see young grasshopper and stop with this internet keyboard warrior/tough guy.. I've seen em all.. If you don't developed a tough skin in Meso.. Well, there's a Pony/Princess forum you can visit...

Let me guess, you're EVO reject right.. coming in with HCgenerate and Dylan Gemelli crap! shows you done your research..LOL!

 

[achilles87]

I would say 90% of your pro athletes wouldn't run a cycle like you have listed. You are going away from sports into bb with that, I would run test and gh considering your past injury.

There's also no way I would run that cycle for a first cycle, what do you think all them aas will do to you mentally? You will need to just keep it simple for now and then go from there.

 

[RodgerThat]

So just a consideration for your goals coming from someone who also played a high level sport but I don't think you need that much test. 350mg ew test prop cycle for 8 weeks and run the car weeks 2-8. You will be able to gain your 15 pounds for sure if you know as much as you are leading one. Although mind you this, you aren't going to gain 15 pounds and lose 5% BF in one run no way no how you'd need to cut to get sub 10% and that is calorie deficit and you can't gain weight in a calorie deficit. Why the lower test you may be asking? Well because it kills your cardio and everything you are wanting (run faster, jump higher, move quicker etc) is not going to help the higher the test goes. Also be careful with how much var you use the pumps will make your cardio workouts next to impossible.

 

[I Declare WAR!]

Big_Paul, Glad I didnt buy the HCGenerate then. So you're saying all the new muscle stem cells you created, the sarcomeres network you proliferated while 'ON' will disappear, or just 'deflate'? Because I plan on training and eating and supplementing with everything I can afterwards, and I hope to some extent muscle cell count, and muscle memory remain afterward.

All I see is blah blah blah...

This is not how it works in the real world.

You go on cycle, you gain, you go off cycle, you lose what you gained plus some more while your endogenous Testosterone comes back. Maybe it won't come back to the same level, likely it wont, especially if using tren.

What goes up must come down. Usually it comes down further than where it started from.

Don't do this stupid cycle, waste of health and life.

If you do decide to cycle, then take the advice of using a simple test only cycle with clomid for PCT.

 

[cdoubleu]

Well, someone got their panties in knot! LOL... We shall see young grasshopper and stop with this internet keyboard warrior/tough guy.. I've seen em all.. If you don't developed a tough skin in Meso.. Well, there's a Pony/Princess forum you can visit...

Let me guess, you're EVO reject right.. coming in with HCgenerate and Dylan Gemelli crap! shows you done your research..LOL!

I must say that you got the reaction from the op that you did because you obviously didnt read much after his original post. After he made it clear he was taking advice and reconsidering his cycle you came out accusing him that he is not going listen and going to do what he wants no matter what.

 

[cdoubleu]

Very sound advice from @Wunderpus. Good to hear you are taking it under consideration @LiveWired25

 

[LiveWired25]

Im not an EVO 'reject,' Flaming Dragon. I address you first as I'm sure you wouldn't have read down far enough to where I reply to you, lol. This is the first time I've been on a forum except anabolic minds. You sure seem to get a kick out of provoking a newcomer with your talk. You sound kinda sad dude, I should've known at least one guy would be like you on here. Oh well, keep talking. Keyboard warrior indeed, sir, keyboard warrior indeed..

cdoubleu, thanks for being a voice of reason. I'm always willing to listen and my OP was without talking with anyone about this yet, so thanks for having an ounce of patience as I catch on.

Rodgerthat, thanks for the suggestion. Sounds clean and simple. Is there no way even with intermittent fasting, and fasted cardio HIIT with car that I could make this a recomp? I know one can't lose fat while building muscle, but with enough cardio its not a mathematical anomaly if I make sure I can spare as much muscle as possible with all I'm running, such as BCAA's.
If not, should I just forget that and bulk for 8 weeks and then cut for 4 with anavar added at that point? Sounds like that might get me where I want to be, never heard about var killing cardio.

wonderpus,
Would there be any advantages to Test Prop @ 350 mgs instead of 500 Test E for athletic purposes like Rodgerthat suggested?

Ideclarewar, I know that for the most part that's how it works, but for being unable to explain in any compelling way except with your lame idioms to the tune of 'When in Rome do as the Romans do" about what goes up must come down, you've not really said anything at all. I've read some logs of guys keeping 8-10 lbs after a cycle ended, but I'm all ears to hear you explain your claims that I'll only have benefits while on cycle, and perhaps I'll reconsider this whole thing.

Thanks again for all the advice guys, good, bad, and ugly!

 

[Wunderpus]

Im not an EVO 'reject,' Flaming Dragon. I address you first as I'm sure you wouldn't have read down far enough to where I reply to you, lol. This is the first time I've been on a forum except anabolic minds. You sure seem to get a kick out of provoking a newcomer with your talk. You sound kinda sad dude, I should've known at least one guy would be like you on here. Oh well, keep talking. Keyboard warrior indeed, sir, keyboard warrior indeed..

cdoubleu, thanks for being a voice of reason. I'm always willing to listen and my OP was without talking with anyone about this yet, so thanks for having an ounce of patience as I catch on.

Rodgerthat, thanks for the suggestion. Sounds clean and simple. Is there no way even with intermittent fasting, and fasted cardio HIIT with car that I could make this a recomp?
If not, should I just forget that and bulk for 8 weeks and then cut for 4 with anavar added at that point? Sounds like that might get me where I want to be, never heard about var killing cardio.

wonderpus,
Would there be any advantages to Test Prop @ 350 mgs instead of 500 Test E for athletic purposes like Rodgerthat suggested?

Ideclarewar, I know that for the most part that's how it works, but for being unable to explain in any compelling way except with your lame idioms to the tune of 'When in Rome do as the Romans do" about what goes up must come down, you've not really said anything at all. I've read some logs of guys keeping 8-10 lbs after a cycle ended, but I'm all ears to hear you explain your claims that I'll only have benefits while on cycle, and perhaps I'll reconsider this whole thing.

Thanks again for all the advice guys, good, bad, and ugly!

Either would be fine. Personal preference I suppose I always lean towards higher test.

 

[RodgerThat]

I'm not saying you can't make its recomp at all you can gain your 15lb and relatively speaking your body fat will go down if done right but not in the way that you are shredding it but in the fact that you are upping your body's LBM by 10% so relatives your 13% BF would go to 11.7 If all thing we're equal which they aren't but in a perfect world that's what would happen. Var hurts cardio because of the shin pumps and lower back pumps so it makes it harder but if you use enough taurine and eat yo bananas maybe you can combat that. Some people like @Wunderpus prefer higher dosages but he's also got a few cycles under his belt and 500mg is the preferred starting point for people getting into bodybuilding or powerlifting for a first cycle but you are going for athletic performance and that's why I'd lean to a lower doasages. Run the 8 week cycle I suggested and do your pct and after that point if you aren't to were you want to be BF wise then cut a little bit more. Don't sacrifice your muscle building time though trying to lose body fat and gain muscle at the same time cause it'll just leave you spinning your wheels, do the lean bulk and find the right calorie point for you to gain muscle with minimal fat (probably between a 500-800 calorie surplus)

 

[LiveWired25]

RodgerThat, Rodger that! Sounds far safer too. Thanks.