Trukkers Hormone Highway to Hell

[gr8whitetrukker]

That sucks and you should plan for such situations so there's no disruption to your training schedule.

Ha like what? There is no planning my days. This isn't the world you may be used too. I don't clock in and clock out on schedule. I can't account for amateurs and their poor driving habits. I can't account for empty headed dispatchers or lazy warehouse employees. This is how it goes. When im done I'm done. Regulations be damned. I just gotta move to the next day and aim for a redo. Life fuckin sucks some times eh

 

[MindlessWork]

Ha like what? There is no planning my days. This isn't the world you may be used too. I don't clock in and clock out on schedule. I can't account for amateurs and their poor driving habits. I can't account for empty headed dispatchers or lazy warehouse employees. This is how it goes. When im done I'm done. Regulations be damned. I just gotta move to the next day and aim for a redo. Life fuckin sucks some times eh

Lol, I see where you coming from and much respect to you for being a juggler lol

 

[strongsafety41]

Ha like what? There is no planning my days. This isn't the world you may be used too. I don't clock in and clock out on schedule. I can't account for amateurs and their poor driving habits. I can't account for empty headed dispatchers or lazy warehouse employees. This is how it goes. When im done I'm done. Regulations be damned. I just gotta move to the next day and aim for a redo. Life fuckin sucks some times eh

I hear you there. Just give the weights hell on your next day back. Keep moving forward brother.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

Stemming for action

 

[Docd187123]

Ultimate Warrior!!!!!

 

[theprodgicalson]

SLAYER!!!!!!

 

[TANGO.ECHO.KILO]

Reign in Blood

 

[Mr.B66]

Having to work 18 hrs really sucks, i dont blame you for not hitting the gym. I dont even think i could work 10hrs and still hit the gym and i have mad respect for those of you that do.
You'll be back in the groove soon enough Trukk, just gotta rest up then hit the gym HARD!! Cycle just started so you have plenty of time to make it up and hopefully this doesn't happen to often.

And happy veterans day to all my fellow vets[emoji4]

 

[evarthecaveman]

Ha like what? There is no planning my days. This isn't the world you may be used too. I don't clock in and clock out on schedule. I can't account for amateurs and their poor driving habits. I can't account for empty headed dispatchers or lazy warehouse employees. This is how it goes. When im done I'm done. Regulations be damned. I just gotta move to the next day and aim for a redo. Life fuckin sucks some times eh

I've been working 12.5 hour days lately leaves me time to hit the gym and eat and go to sleep. No time with the family. Sucks sometimes! And I wouldn't worry about switching your failure training.. That shit works wonders for me. I just don't see a reason to leave some in the tank

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

I've been working 12.5 hour days lately leaves me time to hit the gym and eat and go to sleep. No time with the family. Sucks sometimes! And I wouldn't worry about switching your failure training.. That shit works wonders for me. I just don't see a reason to leave some in the tank

Because it digs a hole deeper than can't be filled in before the next workout. I've studied and criticized every aspect of my plan. My training style is leaving some muscle on the table I think. And the bigger I get the harder it is to recover.

 

[OdieM]

I still don't get it. Are you saying that your going to the gym and only half assing it and that's supposed to make you grow? Always to failure and if you have someone working out with you go beyond failure is what I thought.

 

[Mr.B66]

I still don't get it. Are you saying that your going to the gym and only half assing it and that's supposed to make you grow? Always to failure and if you have someone working out with you go beyond failure is what I thought.

I agree with this 100% provided your fully recovered by the next session with that muscle group.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

I still don't get it. Are you saying that your going to the gym and only half assing it and that's supposed to make you grow? Always to failure and if you have someone working out with you go beyond failure is what I thought.

The folks who work out mentzer style which is my favorite form of training are far and few between. I always wondered what some define as "failure". If your failing every set every exercise you will not work out the day after. In my case that particular body part is dessimated for about 5-6 days. And the soreness leaves in time to hit that body part again. Just because soreness stops doesn't mean you've completed the growth process. So I'm not sure how to answer the question. I'm joining the volume approach aka arnold and everybody else. We'll see

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

I agree with this 100% provided your fully recovered by the next session with that muscle group.

How do you define recovered?

When the soreness stops? That's not recovered
If your not adding reps and weight by that next body part cycle you have not recovered. That is when the adaptation process has cured

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

I think I could benefit from added work load on the body. If failure training is taken to its natural and absolute conclusion you will not be in the gym for long periods. Volume and failure are opposites. North and south. East and west. I'm thinking adding workload via reps I can easily track that and hopefully keep myself out of the deep recovery hole. HD training has got me this far but this is an experiment. I'm a mother fuckin scientist and this is my office

 

[jaymaximus]

I think I could benefit from added work load on the body. If failure training is taken to its natural and absolute conclusion you will not be in the gym for long periods. Volume and failure are opposites. North and south. East and west. I'm thinking adding workload via reps I can easily track that and hopefully keep myself out of the deep recovery hole. HD training has got me this far but this is an experiment. I'm a mother fuckin scientist and this is my office

One thing that helped me was getting on a set program. After you run it for awhile you can make tweaks, but it has sets and volume set for you so youre not just doing workouts until exhaustion. And thats for any program, not just strength or PLing.
I used to go 6-7 days a week for years and my workout was thru when I couldnt physically lift anymore. But I was always coming back sore which was f*cking up my next workout.
Now I do 3-4 days a week and Im seeing more progress than ever with a program and rest. Also AAS. That helps.

 

[D-Ballin]

Both approaches work. Some work better for some, others better for others.

Just switching the routine, with where you are at, is probably going to spurr some new growth though. Keep the stimulus fresh, keep the body guessing. If you were looking for a change, you probably had your reasons to begin with. Change it up and smash through your plateaus. . .

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

One thing that helped me was getting on a set program. After you run it for awhile you can make tweaks, but it has sets and volume set for you so youre not just doing workouts until exhaustion. And thats for any program, not just strength or PLing.
I used to go 6-7 days a week for years and my workout was thru when I couldnt physically lift anymore. But I was always coming back sore which was f*cking up my next workout.
Now I do 3-4 days a week and Im seeing more progress than ever with a program and rest. Also AAS. That helps.

Both approaches work. Some work better for some, others better for others.

Just switching the routine, with where you are at, is probably going to spurr some new growth though. Keep the stimulus fresh, keep the body guessing. If you were looking for a change, you probably had your reasons to begin with. Change it up and smash through your plateaus. . .

Thank you. Your both right.
I get a kick out of people that emphatically state HD training doesn't work. In fact if I don't turn my back and walk away I'd rather beat their head in with a 45 lb plate. My very best gains have been on mentzer HD training which had me in the gym once EVERY 4 DAYS. That's right. Where I have perverted his teachings is moving my workouts to ED ventures. Which proves to be too much.

I also think folks vastly overestimate the body's capability for recovery. It's not like each body part has say a health bar full of 100 points and you can deplete each body part to their own accord. The WHOLE body has the proverbial 100 points and they must be replenished.

The workout is like lying out in the sun. It will burn you. Each individual has their tolerance. Some burn much faster than others. After you finish your tan then you have to recover ie. In the form of a tan. If you burn and flake you did not recover and it would be useless to go out and lay in the sun again with an already burnt body. It is the small in roads to the tan like frequent low exposure to sun that builds a tan. Not the exhaustive effects of 2 hour Texas sun rays beating on your skin. You will burn and eventually be so depleted tanning would prove to be useless. That is the best I can do for yall.

 

[weighted chinup]

The WHOLE body has the proverbial 100 points and they must be replenished.

This is true, your body and it's systems as a whole can accumulate fatigue. Systemic fatigue won't necessarily impact individual muscle recovery but it can impact progress in the long term because your fitness is being masked by fatigue and your workouts aren't as productive because performance isn't what it could be. Good routines will have measures in place to allow the athlete to dissipate fatigue at some point. Some are more forgiving then others, and some guys can just continue to work and progress in a fatigued state despite feeling like a zombie in the gym. Managing fatigue is very important if you are training with a lot of volume and intensity is moderate or high.

I'm glad to hear you are giving higher volume a try. I have no problem with HIT style training for bodybuilding purposes of course.

The reason a lot of guys get shit results with a high volume approach and get better results with HIT isn't necessarily because of the volume or even recovery in some cases, it's because the 'high volume' routine they ran was probably really shitty. It isn't really the high volume that makes routines like that ineffective, it's the lack of intensity, low frequency, no periodization etc. AAS can make it viable but that's not really new.

There are other techniques you should give a try if you are going to move away from taking sets to failure that are excellent at promoting strength gains without making a shit load of fatigue - making use of stretch reflex, lifting the concentric portion as explosively as possible, etc...

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

This is true, your body and it's systems as a whole can accumulate fatigue. Systemic fatigue won't necessarily impact individual muscle recovery but it can impact progress in the long term because your fitness is being masked by fatigue and your workouts aren't as productive because performance isn't what it could be. Good routines will have measures in place to allow the athlete to dissipate fatigue at some point. Some are more forgiving then others, and some guys can just continue to work and progress in a fatigued state despite feeling like a zombie in the gym. Managing fatigue is very important if you are training with a lot of volume and intensity is moderate or high.

I'm glad to hear you are giving higher volume a try. I have no problem with HIT style training for bodybuilding purposes of course.

The reason a lot of guys get shit results with a high volume approach and get better results with HIT isn't necessarily because of the volume or even recovery in some cases, it's because the 'high volume' routine they ran was probably really shitty. It isn't really the high volume that makes routines like that ineffective, it's the lack of intensity, low frequency, no periodization etc. AAS can make it viable but that's not really new.

There are other techniques you should give a try if you are going to move away from taking sets to failure that are excellent at promoting strength gains without making a shit load of fatigue - making use of stretch reflex, lifting the concentric portion as explosively as possible, etc...

Spot on

I'll add the most common reason folks don't make progress on HD training is the misunderstanding of failure training. Failure isn't I'll stop because I'm tired. Failure isn't I'm out of breathe. Failure isn't a second set mentality. Failure is every ounce of muscle and energy firing at once and the weight is moving backwards