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The problem I have with volume training is their are no absolutes. Failure is an absolute. Easily defined and certain when you've achieved it. With volume when is enough enough? It's the problem I've always had. I tend to take each set too far. It's my natural way. I hear alot of top pros talk about the volume approach and pump training. Obviously it works. Pumping nutrients to the muscle without bringing total fatigue. I'm gonna give it a shot tho
 
I'll add the most common reason folks don't make progress on HD training is the misunderstanding of failure training. Failure isn't I'll stop because I'm tired. Failure isn't I'm out of breathe. Failure isn't a second set mentality. Failure is every ounce of muscle and energy firing at once and the weight is moving backwards

I suspect this is the case. With such few working sets being performed and depending on percentage of 1rm being used then by not going to failure the lifter probably isn't recruiting very many motor units so the lifter likely isn't going to see any adaptations. I can certainly see how not failing on such a routine would essentially make it ineffective. In that case it's the lifters fault for not following the routine as it is written. :)

As far as recovery goes, taking a different approach to the recovery problem might be worthwhile for a high volume routine, most won't bother and it might not even be necessary for bodybuilding purposes or with AAS in the mix, but for the sake of adding to the discussion.....

At a certain point the amount of work you have to do to make optimal progress becomes too high to recover from before you train that session again. Being fully recovered before your next session no longer becomes a viable option. Linear progression gains generally taps out pretty quickly for most dedicated lifters but AAS can make it work again so most guys generally don't bother giving any real structure to their training or tailoring it to where they are in their development.

I always advocate a dual factor approach to recovery for advanced lifters, even with AAS involved.

An example would be training with moderate frequency and intensity and high volume for maybe 3 weeks and then reducing volume significantly for 1 week or even taking some time off to allow fatigue to dissipate and then coming back. Weekly volume has to be high for this to be worthwhile.

The deload will allow the lifter to drop the fatigue that was masking his fitness and ideally the lifter should come back stronger after this assuming he did enough work.

This is a very simple and crude way to handle it and just an example but for a bodybuilding routine it really doesn't have to be more complicated then that. You can have a scheduled deload or you can do it instinctively. I would suggest scheduling them because most will probably neglect it if they choose to handle it instinctively.
 
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I suspect this is the case. With such few working sets being performed and depending on percentage of 1rm being used then by not going to failure the lifter probably isn't recruiting very many motor units so the lifter likely isn't going to see any adaptations. I can certainly see how not failing on such a routine would essentially make it ineffective. In that case it's the lifters fault for not following the routine as it is written. :)

As far as recovery goes, taking a different approach to the recovery problem might be worthwhile for a high volume routine, most won't bother and it might not even be necessary for bodybuilding purposes or with AAS in the mix, but for the sake of adding to the discussion.....

At a certain point the amount of work you have to do to make optimal progress becomes too high to recover from before you train that session gain. Being fully recovered before your next session no longer becomes a viable option. Linear progression gains generally taps out pretty quickly for most dedicated lifters but AAS can make it work again so most guys generally don't bother giving any real structure to their training or tailoring it to where they are in their development.

I always advocate a dual factor approach to recovery for advanced lifters, even with AAS involved.

An example would be training with moderate frequency and intensity and high volume for maybe 3 weeks and then reducing volume significantly for 1 week or even taking some time off to allow fatigue to dissipate and then coming back. Weekly volume has to be high for this to be worthwhile.

The deload will allow the lifter to drop the fatigue that was masking his fitness and ideally the lifter should come back stronger after this assuming he did enough work.

This is a very simple and crude way to handle it and just an example but for a bodybuilding routine it really doesn't have to be more complicated then that. You can have a scheduled deload or you can do it instinctively. I would suggest scheduling them because most will probably neglect it if they choose to handle it instinctively.
This is true. I can't tell you how many times I've reached high fatigue levels taken a week off and add 25 lb back on the same movement I was stalled at. So thank you for the suggestion. I typically go by instinct.
 


11/13/15 Back

GOOD MORNING FREAKS AND JUICERS!!!!:eek::mad:

Feeling better coming to my 2nd week of pinning. Workouts improving. I got that wild look in my eye. Maybe another week I'll have the boost I usually get from the test

Seated rows
145x12, 145x12, 145x12, 145x12, 160x12 = 48 reps
♧rapid pace very little rest. Used as a substitute for less weight. Full exaggerated stretch followed by deep pinch with elbows in rear most position

Palms up pulldown
145x8, 145x10, 145x10, 145x10 = 38 reps
♧again not much weight but very little rest between sets. Love this exercise. Gives nice thickness to lats and upper back

Smith machine bent rows
90x20, 100x20, 110x20 = 60 reps
♧ palms up version. Great pump. Again not as much weight as you'd expect

TOTAL REPS FOR BACK = 146
■HIT my intended rep count. Now I got a baseline I can up weight next week and easy get same reps with more poundage.

Also hit up dem calves a little. Nice and light
Standing calf raise
190x4 sets = 69 REPS total
Just enough to get em primed

Shake, shower, gatorade, work :)
 


11/13/15 Back

GOOD MORNING FREAKS AND JUICERS!!!!:eek::mad:

Feeling better coming to my 2nd week of pinning. Workouts improving. I got that wild look in my eye. Maybe another week I'll have the boost I usually get from the test

Seated rows
145x12, 145x12, 145x12, 145x12, 160x12 = 48 reps
♧rapid pace very little rest. Used as a substitute for less weight. Full exaggerated stretch followed by deep pinch with elbows in rear most position

Palms up pulldown
145x8, 145x10, 145x10, 145x10 = 38 reps
♧again not much weight but very little rest between sets. Love this exercise. Gives nice thickness to lats and upper back

Smith machine bent rows
90x20, 100x20, 110x20 = 60 reps
♧ palms up version. Great pump. Again not as much weight as you'd expect

TOTAL REPS FOR BACK = 146
■HIT my intended rep count. Now I got a baseline I can up weight next week and easy get same reps with more poundage.

Also hit up dem calves a little. Nice and light
Standing calf raise
190x4 sets = 69 REPS total
Just enough to get em primed

Shake, shower, gatorade, work :)


Good looking w/o GWT. But I think you can take it easy on the calves
 


11/13/15 Back

GOOD MORNING FREAKS AND JUICERS!!!!:eek::mad:

Feeling better coming to my 2nd week of pinning. Workouts improving. I got that wild look in my eye. Maybe another week I'll have the boost I usually get from the test

Seated rows
145x12, 145x12, 145x12, 145x12, 160x12 = 48 reps
♧rapid pace very little rest. Used as a substitute for less weight. Full exaggerated stretch followed by deep pinch with elbows in rear most position

Palms up pulldown
145x8, 145x10, 145x10, 145x10 = 38 reps
♧again not much weight but very little rest between sets. Love this exercise. Gives nice thickness to lats and upper back

Smith machine bent rows
90x20, 100x20, 110x20 = 60 reps
♧ palms up version. Great pump. Again not as much weight as you'd expect

TOTAL REPS FOR BACK = 146
■HIT my intended rep count. Now I got a baseline I can up weight next week and easy get same reps with more poundage.

Also hit up dem calves a little. Nice and light
Standing calf raise
190x4 sets = 69 REPS total
Just enough to get em primed

Shake, shower, gatorade, work :)

Fuck yeah, this got me motivated today!!! STRENGTH, DETERMINATION, MERCILESS FOREVER!!! SDMF.... GREAT JOB TRUK, Eat big baby!!
 
The problem I have with volume training is their are no absolutes. Failure is an absolute. Easily defined and certain when you've achieved it. With volume when is enough enough? It's the problem I've always had. I tend to take each set too far. It's my natural way. I hear alot of top pros talk about the volume approach and pump training. Obviously it works. Pumping nutrients to the muscle without bringing total fatigue. I'm gonna give it a shot tho

One of the biggest complaints I have with training to failure is when you get closer and closer to your failure point your form breaks down more and more. This will increase the likelihood of injury. My other big complaint is that by training to failure, total volume and/or frequency of the big lifts (squat, deads, press, bench, rows, etc) must consequently be reduced. Even if you produce the same results, which IMO failure training will not especially over the long haul, you get MUCH MUCH less practice at performing the big lifts. This leads to form being not as good in ppl training to failure. I can tell you training bench press specifically 3x a week sometimes twice a day with Sheiko and now doing 6 bench press or close variant movements sessions per week, my bench form and strength have drastically improved. My chest is even getting bigger too not that aesthetics is my goal. It's gotten to the point with some lifts now I barely have to think about what I'm doing bc the movement pattern is so ingrained in me it's second nature. This allows you to concentrate more on giving it your all than worrying about form.

Having said all that, most important thing is consistency so if other training styles bore you and won't allow you to be consistent then do what works for you.
 
Good looking w/o GWT. But I think you can take it easy on the calves
It's one of those things. If I told you I never work calves by never I mean maybe 2x a month would you believe me? It's purely a genetic thing. Most wouldn't learn anything from my calf training program cuz honestly it's not much of one. I would like 20" calves tho :) so maybe I'll work them 3x a month instead:cool:
 
How do you define recovered?

When the soreness stops? That's not recovered
If your not adding reps and weight by that next body part cycle you have not recovered. That is when the adaptation process has cured
Ok, so i find that working each muscle group just once per week, "and i mean i work them hard enough that i couldn't work them a second time without running myself into the ground" i feel pretty much recovered. But by recovered i mean my muscle is ready for another WO in which progress can be made.
But i think the real recovery happens by taking a week off every 6-8 weeks depending what my body tells me. I find that after almost 30 years in the gym i know when i have and have not recovered. Of course this is an individual thing and what works for me might not work for everybody. Finding what works for you is the key to maximizing your gains.
BTW i absolutely agree with you on the Mentzer HD training, i used it off and on over the years with great success. But as you say most people dont understand what TOTAL failure is so for them this training style is not as successful as it otherwise would be.
Puts a smile on my face when you bring up HD training, i thought it had been forgotten by the younger generations.
 
Ok, so i find that working each muscle group just once per week, "and i mean i work them hard enough that i couldn't work them a second time without running myself into the ground" i feel pretty much recovered. But by recovered i mean my muscle is ready for another WO in which progress can be made.
But i think the real recovery happens by taking a week off every 6-8 weeks depending what my body tells me. I find that after almost 30 years in the gym i know when i have and have not recovered. Of course this is an individual thing and what works for me might not work for everybody. Finding what works for you is the key to maximizing your gains.
BTW i absolutely agree with you on the Mentzer HD training, i used it off and on over the years with great success. But as you say most people dont understand what TOTAL failure is so for them this training style is not as successful as it otherwise would be.
Puts a smile on my face when you bring up HD training, i thought it had been forgotten by the younger generations.
Yes they call it fst7 now days or "dorian" training. Mentzer was the one who taught dorian and Arthur Jones was the one who taught mentzer. They have tried to reinvent the wheel with fst7 but it's just a revisited amended HD training style.

Bro I funded the mentzer project. I got me 2 L tshirts that I bought in my teenage yrs that I can not possibly fit in to now and all the books. That's 4 of them. Mentzer was the man
 
You don't want full recovery in between workouts. Once you pass the beginner stage you need fatigue. It takes multiple workouts to cause enough fatigue and stress to cause adaptation. You can't do it in one at that point.
The fundamentals of HD training are that you be fully recovered. If your not up weights or reps then it would be considered a mistake to have worked out. That's how you gain on that style. I was in the gym everyday 3rd or 4th day. I'm speaking of my natty days of course. I actually have never done a mentzer program on AAS. That is the game changer. I mean a true mentzer program. But hey it worked for dorian.

To your point I believe your statement reflects volume training to a T.
 
11/14/15 Arms/shoulders/traps


First full week of the volume. I'm quite happy. I got in 199 reps for biceps which is the most volume in a week I've ever done. Reps are up today and weight in some exercises. Progress :)

Let's go!!!!
Dumbbell laterals 25x12x5sets rapid fire = 60 reps each shoulder
Plate shrugs 45x20x3 rapid fire 60 reps
Rear machine laterals
60x20,75x14,80x12,85x14,90x12 = 72 reps *1 min rest between sets

Hammer Preacher curls
80x12,80x10,80x10, 55x12 = 44 reps
Cable push downs
70x20,70x18,70x12 =50 reps
Cable curls
80x12,90x10,100x10 elbows up pause at top =32 reps
Reverse one hand pulldowns
40x20,40x20,60x10= 50 reps
Standing barbell curls
75x8x3sets = 24 reps

TOTAL
*biceps =100 reps
*triceps=100 reps

392 reps total 1h22m

Cable curls up 20lb and 2 reps

Now I gotta hit up sams, walmart and aldis for my weekly grub. Later meso
 

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