UGL etiquette

[Superman4hire]

If a UGL sends bunk gear, despite reputation (good or unknown), why shouldn't you make this known on a public forum? Why should we have to PM them first? If I buy something from Amazon, and get something bunk, do I own them a "heads up" before giving em a bad review. I think not.

Just curious about everyone thoughts on this topic?

 

[Gunrunner]

One of the reasons we visit this forum is to get unbiased opions and real world experience from the end user. Share the good, the bad and the ugly.

 

[Superman4hire]

I just read a couple of posts from other threads related to this topic. However, that wasn't the focus of the other threads. I'm curious about others opinion, because I seldomly give a UGL a heads up before blasting them if I get a bad order. The reason I blase them is because I expect a good order (and good quality review process from the UGL) every time.

 

[mands]

How are you determing "bunk gear"? Blood work, Testing product or something else?

I think the problem with most(usually newbies) is that they take gear and expect something phenomenal when they themselves don't have a clue about training, diet and rest.

I think there are proper channels to take before making yourself look like an ass. Then if your man enough go back and retract a statement that shouldn't of been made in the first place.

I really think if you have direct proof such as labs or a tested product then by all means go ahead and put them on blast. I usually warn them first before I do though.

mands

 

[Gunrunner]

Lab work is a great way to determine how good gear is, but if anyone has done even 1 decent cycle they know what good gear does. I've used real pharmacutical HG stuff over the years and know what to expect from certain doses of differnt types of gear (not all).

I have seen people eat junk and do inconsitnat training and make pretty good gains on the gear. I'm strict with my nutrition and very consistent with my training because I am a naturally what we call "skinny fat" and I know the limits that even good gear will take me but I know when I'm using good gear beacuse the improvement is there. Not monster gains for me but definately decent and noticible gains in performance and body comp.

Basically: Good gear = Good gains. Shitty gear = no extra gains. You train, you eat, you sleep, you gain. You add good gear, you gain more.

 

[Superman4hire]

Mands, I think you are a good guy, so don't take this the wrong way. I understand the stereotype that you have mentioned. Although, I don't think that one should assume that if someone is new to this forum, they are a newbie in terms of their usage and experience.

As far as making an ass out of yourself.... unfortunately, I do this daily. However it has nothing to do with blasting UGL's that don't deliver.

 

[biggerben69]

I don't think that's what mands was saying. Sounds like he's saying noobs sometimes expect gear to work magic. Like they whack it and they'll be transformed.
Guys that haven't got any kind of base or any clue on how to train or eat look in the mirror after 2 weeks and still look like shit after changing nothing call the shit garbage when it's them.
It will just help back the claim up if you've got proof. I know what you're saying SM...I know when I'm "on" and I believe I'd know if I wasn't and just whacking oil.

Mands, I think you are a good guy, so don't take this the wrong way. I understand the stereotype that you have mentioned. Although, I don't think that one should assume that if someone is new to this forum, they are a newbie in terms of their usage and experience.

As far as making an ass out of yourself.... unfortunately, I do this daily. However it has nothing to do with blasting UGL's that don't deliver.

 

[Kamala]

If a UGL sends bunk gear, despite reputation (good or unknown), why shouldn't you make this known on a public forum? Why should we have to PM them first? If I buy something from Amazon, and get something bunk, do I own them a "heads up" before giving em a bad review. I think not.

Just curious about everyone thoughts on this topic?

My only thoughts are that whoever it is complaining needs to know what they're doing in the first place. I see guys complaining sometimes that have no business even being on in the first place, they don't have a clue what they are doing and figure that if they take random amounts of random drugs they'll look like ronnie coleman in a couple of months.

Myself I'm a big fan of keeping things in house, a good rep will look at the situation and make things right if there is a problem. A lot of the time a good rep won't even make you ask, he'll know you were wronged and proactively fix it. I have put guys on blast before when I got fucked over and nothing was done to correct the situation, but it was after I tried to fix things in a constructive way.

 

[phawk]

I agree with superman4hire on giving unbiased opinions on ugl's and with new to forum doesn't necessarily=new to the game. I would definitely have some labs done if your gonna call gear bunk, I think its in poor taste to call gear bunk if you cant prove it with blood. I have always used prescription test cyp for anything I've done up until recently, since I have ventured into other territory and taken some time to learn about other gear and cycles thanks to the knowledge of those who have been there before me, but I live by the motto if it aint broke, dont fix it. That said, I hope I am getting good info on the UGL's that are posted and I like to hear all experiences good and bad and make my decisions to order based on the whole picture.

 

[Superman4hire]

Kamala - Good post. I definitely agree that if you are going to blast. Don't be a f* idiot, and BE DAM SURE the shit is bunk.

As far as working with the rep. I can see, and appreciate your point. I just happen to think that UGLs should do their job, or get out of the biz. I shouldn't need to PM the rep, and hear all the BS excuses and wonder if/when they will make it right (again, assuming bunk gear).

 

[mands]

Mands, I think you are a good guy, so don't take this the wrong way. I understand the stereotype that you have mentioned. Although, I don't think that one should assume that if someone is new to this forum, they are a newbie in terms of their usage and experience.

As far as making an ass out of yourself.... unfortunately, I do this daily. However it has nothing to do with blasting UGL's that don't deliver.

No problem man I know where you are coming from. I was implying the new guy to AAS not a forum.

I don't think that's what mands was saying. Sounds like he's saying noobs sometimes expect gear to work magic. Like they whack it and they'll be transformed.
Guys that haven't got any kind of base or any clue on how to train or eat look in the mirror after 2 weeks and still look like shit after changing nothing call the shit garbage when it's them.
It will just help back the claim up if you've got proof. I know what you're saying SM...I know when I'm "on" and I believe I'd know if I wasn't and just whacking oil.

Yes I was BB. Thanks brother.

mands

 

[skofan]

well, i think. that as long as you complain in a way that gives them a chance to defend themselves, and correct the problem. there's nothing wrong with doing it publically.

 

[cornedbeefhash]

If you've tried contacting the source with no resolution, blast away! Like the previous posters said, make sure you know why you're blasting them. What makes you think the gear is bunk?

 

[Superman4hire]

How do you know your a guy? Maybe cause you got your hand on your dick every every time you take a piss, and you get wood looking at fine women.

Now does that considerable experience tell you, or do you need to go to a doctor and get a gender test. The latter is definitive proof.

 

[Superman4hire]

If gear is bunk, and you happen to be getting bloodwork, then it shows on the test. If not, and you have enough experience, you can tell within a short time.

 

[Superman4hire]

If you are really smart, you may purchase bunk gear... and then feeling flush with cash... spend more money testing the gear that you already know is bunk. That's an option too.

Then you can take this proof to the honorable person that sold you bunk gear... Just tell then you want a refund on the gear, AND have them pay for the testing as well. Yes, another option to consider.

 

[Gunrunner]

I agree with superman4hire on giving unbiased opinions on ugl's and with new to forum doesn't necessarily=new to the game. I would definitely have some labs done if your gonna call gear bunk, I think its in poor taste to call gear bunk if you cant prove it with blood. I have always used prescription test cyp for anything I've done up until recently, since I have ventured into other territory and taken some time to learn about other gear and cycles thanks to the knowledge of those who have been there before me, but I live by the motto if it aint broke, dont fix it. That said, I hope I am getting good info on the UGL's that are posted and I like to hear all experiences good and bad and make my decisions to order based on the whole picture.

I'm close to 50 years old and have used gear in the past and I have always had decent results . My first cycle was about 25 years ago and was depot-test at 100mg a week and I had great gains. My seond cycle was Deca preloads at 50mg a week, I went up to 100mg a week and again had great gains. Not Lee Haney gains but great gains for me. Hell, back then I just ate whatever, drank protein drinks and did whatever workout was in the current issue of M&F or Flex. Back then I never did blood work or PCT, we just tapered off at the end as was writen in the USH. This current cycle I did my first blood test beforehand just to get a baseline and see what happens mid cycle and after PCT, or to let me know when to end PCT.

The point is that I know what to expect from a cycle and if I don't get the results (some results) I will raise the bunk gear flag and let others know my experience. Why would I want to quietly do this in the background with a supplier. We should share this information with each other. Of course, if the supplier makes it all right in the end then we should share this information too.

 

[phawk]

I agree with you gunrunner, Im 30 and have been using anabolics for 13 years, I know what some (not all) gear does and what it feels like, with that said, I would PROBABLY know if I got ripped off. There have been sometimes though when using watts test from a pharmacy that I would have sworn it wasn't doing shit. My whole point was that there are a lot of people who jump the gun and say things are fake, when in fact they aren't. For a first time user on a cycle of say Test cyp 400 mg, they could get 5 weeks in and when they aren't having the superman gains they thought they would jump the gun and say gear is bunk with no labs to prove it. I hear you that we get carried away these days with labs, but while people lie and make mistakes, your blood test doesn't. That was all I was saying........its my personal belief that if you call gear bunk you should back that up with blood. If I got ripped off and didn't feel like having labs done, I throw the shit in the garbage and never order from that source again, but im not going to flame them unless I have solid proof to back up what I say. If the question was asked, "should i use so and so UGL"? I might reply with something like, "I didn't have a very good experience but im sure somebody would know better than I do". If you just plain got bent over and shafted.............FLAME away!!!!!! Thats just my style..........but brother, your gear, your cycle, your way!

 

[Kamala]

Its a hard thing to determine if a lab is putting out shitty gear sometimes.
On most boards the first thing a UG will do is try to pay off/bribe the vets, mods and owners. If anyone says anything bad about the lab, they are bashed to death and banned.
On the other hand, there are a ton of noobs around who don't do ANY research before they start jabbing away. I've seen guys complaining about no results because the 1cc of test prop that they are injecting once a week isn't working after 3 weeks, or wondering why they don't look like Arnold 3 weeks into a test E cycle.

Myself, I've been burned 2x...... the first time was some test E that hurt like hell. 1 cc into a delt and your arm was useless for a week...... And the rep said I was trying to rip him off when i tried to send it back, because nobody else was complaining. In fact, EVERYBODY was complaining.
Fuck you Medistar, and fuck the rep too..... Fuck every medi rep. Bunch of sleazebags who'd sell donkey piss if they thought it would be profitable.

 

[BigSha]

I was ripped the first time in December when i ordered from Axio even without trying to contact them first . Who knew that they are already gone I always got my gear in the gym . Never asked , just read some old reviews . Hahaha silly me . On all the other boards source talk is not allowed so i finally i found meso . So , i learned the hard way