UGL expiry date on bottles

[narta]

Yeah, pharma production facilities, routinely inspected by the FDA, aren't dissimilar to UGL. You know, it's just all casual, not multi million dollar positive pressure clean rooms with continuously monitored air or any bubble boy stuff like that.

You should not have an opinion on stuff you have ZERO first hand experience. No, UGL are not on par with FDA governed pharma facilities. If they operate or not within spec is another thing entirely.

And no, GoogleFu and chatGPT desn't make you en expert on anything other than your own arsehole, but I doubt you can even find that.

 

[Ghoul]

You should not have an opinion on stuff you have ZERO first hand experience. No, UGL are not on par with FDA governed pharma facilities. If they operate or not within spec is another thing entirely.

And no, GoogleFu and chatGPT desn't make you en expert on anything other than your own arsehole, but I doubt you can even find that.

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Knuckle draggers like you think "Google" and "ChatGPT" spit out ideas on their own. These are tools, only as useful as the mind using them. Lacking the intellectual capacity or curiosity to embrace and pursue new ideas and concepts, your head full of cement has gone as far as it'll go in this life, so you project that dead end onto me.

Narta standing outside of a library;

"That guy don't know nothin, he got all those things he says from books."

 

[readalot]

What the hell. I'll weigh in as someone who has not once used AI for any post I've done here. Sure I've used Google to find a paper I was looking for quickly or ensure technical accuracy on a finer point.

The idea that the average person could leverage Google or AI and put out the info that @Ghoul is sharing is quite flawed in my opinion and experience. Wouldn't happen. Appreciate your contributions. The community is lucky to have your intellect here.

I don't get the vitriol in this thread.

 

[Ghoul]

What the hell. I'll weigh in as someone who has not once used AI for any post I've done here. Sure I've used Google to find a paper I was looking for quickly or ensure technical accuracy on a finer point.

The idea that the average person could leverage Google or AI and put out the info that @Ghoul is sharing is quite flawed in my opinion and experience. Wouldn't happen. Appreciate your contributions. The community is lucky to have your intellect here.

I appreciate it, it's become a really useful "tell" about who you're dealing with when they can't discern intelligence from the artificial kind (which isn't really intelligence at all, ofc).

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Knuckle draggers like you think "Google" and "ChatGPT" spit out ideas on their own. These are tools, only as useful as the mind using them. Lacking the intellectual capacity or curiosity to embrace and pursue new ideas and concepts, your head full of cement has gone as far as it'll go in this life, so you project that dead end onto me.

Narta standing outside of a library;

"That guy don't know nothin, he got all those things he says from books."

Why are you on here? You should be running a god damn lab with your search engines.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Did they operate EXACTLY up to spec?

OK, I'll play.

Positive pressure clean rooms are common everywhere, especially if animals are housed nearby. This has nothing to do with pharma or UGL manufacturing practices. That, the manufacturing facilities themselves, and bubble boy conditions are 3 completely different things.

Pharma products are not made in bubble boy conditions. That's just ridiculous.

 

[Grey Spartan]

OK, I'll play.

Positive pressure clean rooms are common everywhere, especially if animals are housed nearby. This has nothing to do with pharma or UGL manufacturing practices. That, the manufacturing facilities themselves, and bubble boy conditions are 3 completely different things.

Pharma products are not made in bubble boy conditions. That's just ridiculous.

Fun Fact:

I once worked at a place called Quantum Research. The funny thing about "bubble boy conditions" is, they get really upset when you disregard their "clean room" procedures. lol I must of got my ass chewed by everyone. Even the janitor gave me stink eye. hahaha

 

[narta]

Knuckle draggers like you think "Google" and "ChatGPT" spit out ideas on their own. These are tools, only as useful as the mind using them. Lacking the intellectual capacity or curiosity to embrace and pursue new ideas and concepts, your head full of cement has gone as far as it'll go in this life, so you project that dead end onto me.

Narta standing outside of a library;

"That guy don't know nothin, he got all those things he says from books."

At their current state, AI tools like chatGPT are advanced Google crawlers. You may label me what you want, it matters not, because on this particular subject/sector I have forgotten more knowledge than you will ever truly master. Alas a low bar, since you are a mere web search summarize tool, figuratively and literally.

When and if, ever, step inside a gym, a gmp facility and outside your house, with photos to prove it, we can talk.

 

[readalot]

Lol. Nah, iso 4 / 5 aren't used at all for sterile pharma manufacturing. They'd never go for that. /s

 

[AlexDavis43]

Fun Fact:

I once worked at a place called Quantum Research. The funny thing about "bubble boy conditions" is, they get really upset when you disregard their "clean room" procedures. lol I must of got my ass chewed by everyone. Even the janitor gave me stink eye. hahaha

Haha I know exactly what you mean.

If I get lung disease I'm definitely gonna blame it on breathing some of the toxic shit used to sterilize the rooms that housed the bubbles, like for passing materials into the bubble.

 

[narta]

Pharma products are not made in bubble boy conditions. That's just ridiculous.

That is my point. What it actually happens in real world conditions and paper specs.

Because, according to GoogleFu experts, pharma facilities are cleaner than a Intel/TSMC Fab (insert hilarious emoji)

 

[Astartes]

I recently purchased some gear for me and my friends from a rep, I would say over 10 days ago, he was very helpful and the delivery time was amazing, my friends noticed the expiration date was 02,2025 and refused to purchase the stuff from me. In haste i panicked and I sent the rep a text saying please don’t tell me something like this is still good cuz I’m not having that, fix it please, I know I know I fucked up and I’m going to get heat for this , please know I have apologized to that rep , he was and is a nice guy and was very professional and he assured me that the alcohol in their injectables last 20 years and that the expiration dates were made up dates. I told him that I would ask the guys at meso if the gear was g2g and if they are cool with it then so am I. I just want Peace of mind.

Brother if you’re reading this I am truly sorry.

Candidly. He should apologize to you. He fucked up and put freaking exp dates on his product. Jack ass

 

[AlexDavis43]

Fun Fact:

I once worked at a place called Quantum Research. The funny thing about "bubble boy conditions" is, they get really upset when you disregard their "clean room" procedures. lol I must of got my ass chewed by everyone. Even the janitor gave me stink eye. hahaha

That is my point. What it actually happens in real world conditions and paper specs.

Because, according to GoogleFu experts, pharma facilities are cleaner than a Intel/TSMC Fab (insert hilarious emoji)

You can't even spoon feed some people.

They're gonna believe whatever they're gonna believe, and cherry pick blog posts to prove their point. Or now it's AI with well-crafted prompts.

Bonus points if you have fancy infographics
*meh*

 

[Trenmaster04]

The expiration dates are made up.

So is the claim it'll last 20 years. (the stopper will dry out and the seal will fail before then).

But 5, even 10 years after that date stored out of light and very high heat is reasonable.

Unless it's Test-E.

How long does Test E last in your experience?

 

[Ghoul]

How long does Test E last in your experience?

I avoid Test-E because of the PIP problems in certain batches that have been going on for years. But even if I had considered a pipless "good batch", I've seen two people report that vials from the same batch went from PIP free to crippling in a year, which strongly suggests some kind of degradation of Test-E happens fairly quickly even in oil, while nearly every other AAS seems to last 5, even 10 years without issue based on many anecdotal experiences.

 

[Nidus]

I avoid Test-E because of the PIP problems in certain batches that have been going on for years. But even if I had considered a pipless "good batch", I've seen two people report that vials from the same batch went from PIP free to crippling in a year, which strongly suggests some kind of degradation of Test-E happens fairly quickly even in oil, while nearly every other AAS seems to last 5, even 10 years without issue based on many anecdotal experiences.

And as long as you store it well, protected from extreme heats, colds, sunlight or moisture the vial will be just fine.

Just be careful with stuff that contains excess amounts of solvents as these sometimes can harm the rubber capping.