UGL rip off methods

[Texas.Redneck]

Some food for thought and tell me what, if any, experiences anyone has had with this:

So if I was an underground lab, two ways I thought of that I might rip off customers is as follows:

1. Test E versus Test Cyp - what's to stop me from just making these out of the exact same raw supplies and just slightly underdose the Cyp and label it Test Cyp? You know since typicaly Test E comes in 250 or 300 per ml and Cyp standard is usually 200mg per ml.

2. Tbol versus Dbol - what's to stop me from just making some underdosed Dbol and calling it Tbol?

And what other common ways do UGL's scam us?

Please share constructive thoughts.

 

[Steve84]

It's called @Analyzer if you really want to know what you are getting and dosage.
And LabMax (Personally never used it)

Reputation is what you look for. They won't mess products up like that. Maybe miss on the dosing but not mislabel.

 

[Docd187123]

cyp and enan are basically interchangeable. It’s almost like saying I want Advil not Motrin but both have the same active ingredient.

 

[Docd187123]

Underdosed dbol aromatizes. Underdosed, properly dosed, or overdosed tbol doesn’t.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

What your proposing is small potatoes. A source doesn't stand to gain very much.

If a source is trying to substitute hormones to save money, something like Primo or Trest would be the ticket. The raws for those compounds are quite a bit more expensive compared to the various esters of Test.

If a source is dead set on scamming, his best bet is to gain trust and establish himself with a large list of clients. Then offer a sale and hit the bricks with the money.

 

[Mister Loco]

I think under dosing would be the biggest concern. (anyone can brew underdosed solutons to save miligrams of powder here and there.

There are also some dudes who will use weaker substances or substitutes to form pressed tablets like viagra or cialis. (not only are you ripping off clients at this point, you're potentially aiding in harming their health.)

As mentioned above by @Steve84 and @MisterSuperGod , trust and reputation is what weeds these douchebags out of the game.

 

[EazyE]

I think under dosing would be the biggest concern. (anyone can brew underdosed solutons to save miligrams of powder here and there.

There are also some dudes who will use weaker substances or substitutes to form pressed tablets like viagra or cialis. (not only are you ripping off clients at this point, you're potentially aiding in harming their health.)

As mentioned above by @Steve84 and @MisterSuperGod , trust and reputation is what weeds these douchebags out of the game.

And a great group of folks on Meso that help keep things in check!

 

[Docd187123]

I think under dosing would be the biggest concern. (anyone can brew underdosed solutons to save miligrams of powder here and there.

There are also some dudes who will use weaker substances or substitutes to form pressed tablets like viagra or cialis. (not only are you ripping off clients at this point, you're potentially aiding in harming their health.)

As mentioned above by @Steve84 and @MisterSuperGod , trust and reputation is what weeds these douchebags out of the game.

A milligram of raw test powder costs me 1/10 of 1 cent and it would be even cheaper for a source since they buy larger quantities. That’s a savings of $1 for every gram skimmed. Not even enough to make it worth it for mere milligrams.

 

[master.on]

Some food for thought and tell me what, if any, experiences anyone has had with this:

So if I was an underground lab, two ways I thought of that I might rip off customers is as follows:

1. Test E versus Test Cyp - what's to stop me from just making these out of the exact same raw supplies and just slightly underdose the Cyp and label it Test Cyp? You know since typicaly Test E comes in 250 or 300 per ml and Cyp standard is usually 200mg per ml.

2. Tbol versus Dbol - what's to stop me from just making some underdosed Dbol and calling it Tbol?

And what other common ways do UGL's scam us?

Please share constructive thoughts.

There was a scientific study on seized gear, in Netherlands I believe
there was a UGL where EVERYTHING was actually Test
even "Primo" or "Deca" was low dose T.

 

[CyrilCyanide]

Some food for thought and tell me what, if any, experiences anyone has had with this:

So if I was an underground lab, two ways I thought of that I might rip off customers is as follows:

1. Test E versus Test Cyp - what's to stop me from just making these out of the exact same raw supplies and just slightly underdose the Cyp and label it Test Cyp? You know since typicaly Test E comes in 250 or 300 per ml and Cyp standard is usually 200mg per ml.

2. Tbol versus Dbol - what's to stop me from just making some underdosed Dbol and calling it Tbol?

And what other common ways do UGL's scam us?

Please share constructive thoughts.

I wonder that too sometimes especially when you're getting it internationally from steath packaging.
I'm just gonna have to trust the source and bloods.
If I can find a competent doctor.

 

[Steve84]

I wonder that too sometimes especially when you're getting it internationally from steath packaging.
I'm just gonna have to trust the source and bloods.
If I can find a competent doctor.

A good company with stealth there shouldn't be any issues at all.
Some have it down.

Keep in mind, if you are going to try out a source that is new and unproven you never know what you are going to get.

 

[Test_Subject]

In the grand scheme of things, the risk vs. reward is not worthwhile for this kind of thing. Most raws are so cheap that there's no point putting your reputation on the line to save .50c a vial.

It happens, but I've never experienced it.

 

[Steve84]

In the grand scheme of things, the risk vs. reward is not worthwhile for this kind of thing. Most raws are so cheap that there's no point putting your reputation on the line to save .50c a vial.

It happens, but I've never experienced it.

I think when things come down to it, underdosing really isn't intentional by a good lab.
I think brewer errors and raw purity is where labs get burnt.
Not testing the raws and assuming a purity that may or may not be right is the fall out point.

And again that goes with ugl in general, nothing is regulated or controlled so it can be a shot in the dark for these labs. Especially the smaller ones where there may not be money to afford testing anything.

 

[Johne71]

Wait...did TBK start a new thread.

 

[Texas.Redneck]

So what about marketing and selling Testosterone Propionate and Testosterone Phenylpropionate as two different products but then just selling the same exact ester? Are there noticeable differences between Test P and Test PP esters?

Reason I ask is I got both from the same lab. The Test PP I want to use for a short 8-10 week cycle in the future and I heard might be good for this as a happy medium between long ester (cyp and E) and short ester (prop). However, I got some Test Prop to bridge the gap from Test Cyp to PCT. I'm currently on Test Cyp and wanted to reduce that 14 day window before I can start my clomid/nolva by taking propionate in the interim.

But then it dawned on me another way a UGL could rip us is just have the same products and sell different. But again not sure why they would do that. Why not just carry one product rather than say you have both...

 

[Burrr]

my only concerns for scams would be fake primo and exit scams


and fake anavar, big concern for chicks

 

[Theonejuicedaddy]

So what about marketing and selling Testosterone Propionate and Testosterone Phenylpropionate as two different products but then just selling the same exact ester? Are there noticeable differences between Test P and Test PP esters?

Reason I ask is I got both from the same lab. The Test PP I want to use for a short 8-10 week cycle in the future and I heard might be good for this as a happy medium between long ester (cyp and E) and short ester (prop). However, I got some Test Prop to bridge the gap from Test Cyp to PCT. I'm currently on Test Cyp and wanted to reduce that 14 day window before I can start my clomid/nolva by taking propionate in the interim.

But then it dawned on me another way a UGL could rip us is just have the same products and sell different. But again not sure why they would do that. Why not just carry one product rather than say you have both...

I am confused on why you are concerned about this. What does a UGL have to gain my mislabeling products? The price of TP and TPP are not much different. The price of cypionate and enanthate are not really different; so why would they mislabel? In most cases, labeling a product as one thing and putting something else in it does not stand to benefit any lab financially. It won't save them any money unless we are talking labeling testosterone as Primobolan, or something along those lines.

UGL's are here to make money. Generally speaking, the best way to make money is to make good products and establish a good consistent customer base. As others have said, most underdosing from labs is probably from unknown raw impurities or operator error. The small number of labs that are purposefully scamming customers are only going to do things that save them money. Most UGL's aren't created just to fuck with people for fun. They start a lab and run the risk of prison time to make money. That's it.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

A milligram of raw test powder costs me 1/10 of 1 cent and it would be even cheaper for a source since they buy larger quantities. That’s a savings of $1 for every gram skimmed. Not even enough to make it worth it for mere milligrams.

In the grand scheme of things, the risk vs. reward is not worthwhile for this kind of thing. Most raws are so cheap that there's no point putting your reputation on the line to save .50c a vial....

This ^^

my only concerns for scams would be fake primo and exit scams....

Primobolan is THE most faked anabolic injectable on the planet. If your chosen lab does not produce a real Primobolan injectable, run like hell. Most assuredly, their entire line-up is speckled with under dosed products, regardless of who they are how much love you have for them.

The exit scams are..well, just plain gross. Thankfully these labs dont last long enough to even become a real brand.

 

[Worf]

winny for var, eq or mast for primo, mast used to be under dosed a lot or get faked with test prop. thats the most common scams. Test is usually a sure thing I wouldnt worry about that. even when you order primo or tren you get test at minimum! so theres always the silver lining!