underwhelmed with EQ?

[God&Gainz]

How do you feel now with 500/375 Test/EQ? Do you have any E2 bloodwork on Test/EQ? I‘m thinking about doing something similar soon

Btw I‘ve read a theory that bodyfat percentage doesn’t really impact aromatase because just like fat cells the aromatase enzyme can’t be lost once it’s there. Not sure if it’s true or not but that would explain why I pretty much always have to run an AI because I was very fucking fat when I started

I am feeling better by the day, I am gonna wait a few weeks and then draw bloods once the hormones stabilize

 

[Juicedhead]

It was my first time running EQ and i made the mistake of thinking since I aromatize heavily on 250mg test I would be fine but I wasnt. I also wanted EQ to be the primary compound but since then i have switched gears.

Right now I have adjusted my dosages to 500Test/375EQ and gonna run this for a month and see how it plays out.

What dosages do you usually run and what macro split do you prefer? How much carbs do you eat?

all my eq cycles i was on at least 750 test and 600 eq. carbs is about 400 grams.

 

[God&Gainz]

all my eq cycles i was on at least 750 test and 600 eq. carbs is about 400 grams.

How do you rate these cycles? Some of the best or you prefer other compounds?

 

[Juicedhead]

How do you rate these cycles? Some of the best or you prefer other compounds?

Ive always used eq as my secondary but I have switched to primo this cycle due to the hype and Id say there pretty similar. The only thing I dont like about eq is how long it is. Never ran bold cyp but I bet thatd be the best choice. Also dont like how it thickens the blood so much. Its pretty much the go to drug for any bulk cycle or off season cycle in the pro ranks. Almost always hear the same thing. Test, eq, and some npp. Its a solid choice as long as you tolerate it well. Can be ran for longer periods which is nice and it should be with it being so slow.

 

[abaddon616]

Ive always used eq as my secondary but I have switched to primo this cycle due to the hype and Id say there pretty similar. The only thing I dont like about eq is how long it is. Never ran bold cyp but I bet thatd be the best choice. Also dont like how it thickens the blood so much. Its pretty much the go to drug for any bulk cycle or off season cycle in the pro ranks. Almost always hear the same thing. Test, eq, and some npp. Its a solid choice as long as you tolerate it well. Can be ran for longer periods which is nice and it should be with it being so slow.

I'm lucky I guess because even at 600-800 eq my hct never has went above 47. Bloods have always been fine on eq honestly in fact last week I had blood work done and I've been on test & eq cycle for 18 weeks now and all my markers looked better than ever.

 

[level3]

I'm lucky I guess because even at 600-800 eq my hct never has went above 47. Bloods have always been fine on eq honestly in fact last week I had blood work done and I've been on test & eq cycle for 18 weeks now and all my markers looked better than ever.

Yeah if you don't get raised HCT or cystatin-C, boldenone seems like it is pretty optimal for a second anabolic with minimum side effects. Not even sure primo has anything on boldenone at that point. It has a slightly different look, is worse for hair, and doesn't stimulate appetite (but that can be good or bad).

 

[abaddon616]

Yeah if you don't get raised HCT or cystatin-C, boldenone seems like it is pretty optimal for a second anabolic with minimum side effects. Not even sure primo has anything on boldenone at that point. It has a slightly different look, is worse for hair, and doesn't stimulate appetite (but that can be good or bad).

One of my favorite things about EQ is the added hunger. I struggle to push enough food without it.

 

[Juicedhead]

One of my favorite things about EQ is the added hunger. I struggle to push enough food without it.

this is another reason i like EQ over primo. I can eat 6k cals a day easily, its not that it makes me hungrier but I can just put down more food on it.

 

[Survivalism]

750 test 300 eq has my e2 at 22, definitely different for each person

 

[The Answ3r]

How much grams of carbs do you eat on EQ?

I am reading you should aim for 3 grams per lb of bodyweight to maximize effects

Right now I am eating only 350-400grams of carbs when I should be eating 600-650 supposedly

Honestly, I didn’t notice EQ being carb-dependent at all.

I’ve run it eating 400-500 g carbs and also much lower, and the “EQ effect” felt the same. What EQ did for me was mostly e2 control, easier cardio, a bit more hardness and vascularity. Carbs didn’t really change that.

If you want to grow, you eat more. If you want to lean out, you still eat carbs, just less. The old 90s approach of cutting to 50 g carbs is mostly dead anyway. These days plenty of people prep on 200-300 g and look better for it.

End of the day, it’s individual. EQ isn’t some magic carb-dependent compound. Diet drives the result, EQ just supports it.

 

[Catteni]

Comparing 210mg Tren to recently running 300mg Bold Cyp yeah not even close. And running 600mg Test E so 2:1 and low aromatizer and E2 US was like 32. You schedule an US E2 yet?

 

[frofrank]

750 test 300 eq has my e2 at 22, definitely different for each person

Bro I was just reading your first cycle post 10 minutes ago now I see you're at a gram of gear wtf happened

 

[Survivalism]

Bro I was just reading your first cycle post 10 minutes ago now I see you're at a gram of gear wtf happened

I smashed the fuck out of my e2 with 300 mg eq and didn’t realize what had happened until I got my first bloods at week 8. I ended up titrating test up to 750 using test prop over the next 6 weeks until e2 was finally reasonable.

I have it all logged and will be posting it all up when the bulk ends. As of 12/24 I was up 25 lbs of lean mass and stayed at 13% body fat. Week 17 just ended and probably going to extend the bulk past 20, bloods look way better than I expected

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to connect these dots lol.

 

[abaddon616]

I smashed the fuck out of my e2 with 300 mg eq and didn’t realize what had happened until I got my first bloods at week 8. I ended up titrating test up to 750 using test prop over the next 6 weeks until e2 was finally reasonable.

I have it all logged and will be posting it all up when the bulk ends. As of 12/24 I was up 25 lbs of lean mass and stayed at 13% body fat. Week 17 just ended and probably going to extend the bulk past 20, bloods look way better than I expected

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to connect these dots lol.

You might have gained 25 lbs but there's no way it was all lean mass in 14ish weeks brother. I'm not trying to be a dick but it's physically impossible.

 

[Survivalism]

You might have gained 25 lbs but there's no way it was all lean mass in 14ish weeks brother. I'm not trying to be a dick but it's physically impossible.

Absolutely, that weight includes water, glycogen, all that stuff as well. Dexa only gives you lean mass and fat mass but it is a great indicator the bulk is going well and trending in the correct direction.

Did not mean to give off the impression I expect to have 25 lbs of actual new tissue. I have no idea how much I will actually end up with, but it’s obvious from my training log and photos that I have gained.

 

[abaddon616]

Absolutely, that weight includes water, glycogen, all that stuff as well. Dexa only gives you lean mass and fat mass but it is a great indicator the bulk is going well and trending in the correct direction.

Did not mean to give off the impression I expect to have 25 lbs of actual new tissue. I have no idea how much I will actually end up with, but it’s obvious from my training log and photos that I have gained.

Fair enough. I'm at week 19 I believe I'll have to double check my calendar to be sure but it's close to that and just recently had stellar bloods and had to do a routine echo on my heart Wed which looked great so I'm going to extend to at least 24 weeks probably 28-30. I have everything dialed in to the point I'm adding a pound every 10-12 days and creeping up on 200 at this point but I was extra lean when I started, more lean than I ever been in my life tbh. Still look equally as lean just more rounded in the right places lol. No dexa or anything but I can tell I haven't added much fluff so hopefully most of this sticks when I cruise.

 

[Survivalism]

Fair enough. I'm at week 19 I believe I'll have to double check my calendar to be sure but it's close to that and just recently had stellar bloods and had to do a routine echo on my heart Wed which looked great so I'm going to extend to at least 24 weeks probably 28-30. I have everything dialed in to the point I'm adding a pound every 10-12 days and creeping up on 200 at this point but I was extra lean when I started, more lean than I ever been in my life tbh. Still look equally as lean just more rounded in the right places lol. No dexa or anything but I can tell I haven't added much fluff so hopefully most of this sticks when I cruise.

That’s so interesting we are in like the exact same situation. My weight was 198 this morning. Congrats on your progress! Look forward to seeing more as you finish out the bulk and move into cruise.

 

[abaddon616]

That’s so interesting we are in like the exact same situation. My weight was 198 this morning. Congrats on your progress! Look forward to seeing more as you finish out the bulk and move into cruise.

Hahaha 197 as of right now that is pretty cool. Same bro

 

[NightBeast666]

Guys, I’ve been running test tren cycles for a long time now, usually around 250 mg test / 200 mg tren, but I finally decided to take a long break from tren, possibly permanent, for health reasons.


I wanted to run something “safer” alongside my replacement dose of 250 mg test, so I settled on 600 mg EQ. I’ve read a lot of mixed opinions on EQ some people say it takes forever to kick in, others say they get better results running a higher test to EQ ratio.


Honestly, I’ve been pretty underwhelmed so far and I’m coming up on week 8. Diet and training aren’t the issue. I track macros, eat the same foods daily (jasmine rice, bananas, gold potatoes, lean ground beef, chicken breast), and train Yates style every other day.


This is my first time running EQ, so I’m trying to figure out if:

• I’m just being impatient
• My test is too low
• EQ really does take this long to shine
• Or if my expectations are just off

I can’t help but feel like I’d get similar or better gains from something like 500 mg test with 50 mg var ED.


I’m debating bumping test up to 400–500 mg and seeing how things respond, but before I do that I’d appreciate input from people who’ve actually run EQ and understand how it behaves long term.

And yes I used ChatGPT to clean up the text/grammar haha

8 weeks is enough to start seeing changes on EQ. The reason why you don't, is most probably because your e2 is crashed and your primary anabolic (Test) dosages are too low.

Try this-
Test 500 mgs a week.
EQ- 250 mgs a week.
HGH- 3 IUs a day.


Or, if you want to see some phenomenal lean, dry gains,
Test 500 mgs a week,
EQ- 1250 a week.
Estradiol valerate- 1.5-2 mgs a week.
HGH- 3 IUs a day.

On the later, I can bet that you'd gain and feel far, far better than the Test Tren stack that you are used to.

 

[abaddon616]

8 weeks is enough to start seeing changes on EQ. The reason why you don't, is most probably because your e2 is crashed and your primary anabolic (Test) dosages are too low.

Try this-
Test 500 mgs a week.
EQ- 250 mgs a week.
HGH- 3 IUs a day.


Or, if you want to see some phenomenal lean, dry gains,
Test 500 mgs a week,
EQ- 1250 a week.
Estradiol valerate- 1.5-2 mgs a week.
HGH- 3 IUs a day.

On the later, I can bet that you'd gain and feel far, far better than the Test Tren stack that you are used to.

I'm interested in learning more on how to dose estradiol in a stack. Was actually thinking about working it in next cycle just wanted to make sure I understand everything correctly first of course since I've never used it before.