Update on adding Hcg.

[pmgamer18]

Just got back from the Dr.'s and my levels went down. Here I am thinking we need to low the shots or the Hcg.
For those that have not kept up with my new treatment.
I am doing 150 mgs. of Depo T. shots every week and 500 IU's of Hcg 3 times a week MWF.

Well the new lag tech did not do all the tests so I don't have Total T and Total E.
My E2 came down to 21 from 50.1 range <20 to 56.
My Free T came down to 23.6 from 36.6 pg/mLrange 8.8 to 27 pg/mL. Not having my Total T. the Dr. said he feels that it also came down.
My Prolactin came down to 4.73 from 11.99 range 1/8 to 14.4 ng/mL.
My TSH came down to 1.96 from 2.592 range 0.4 to 4.7 uIU/mL.
My CHOL/HDL Ratio came down to 3.7 low from 4.2 range 4.0 to 6.7 Ratio.
I lost more weight down 5 more lbs. The Dr. told me to stay on what I am doing and and he changed the does of Hcg to 500 IU's MFS and on W the day of my shot I am to do 250 IU's of Hcg. He asked me how the working out was going I told him I started low but now have upped the load on the mach's and upped the set to 3 . I told him I am getting stronger very fast I never felt this strong working out with Low T.
He feels it is the Hcg.

Here is the work out program I am doing now. All of it on Machines. 3 times a week MWF.

Biceps 1 set of 12 reps at a load of 35 KG's. 1 set of 10 reps at a load of 40 KG's and 1 set of 8 reps at a load of 45 KG's.

Triceps same as Biceps.

Push-up 1 set of 12 reps at a load of 40 KG's. 1 set of 10 reps at a load of 45 KG's and 1 set of 8 reps at a load of 50 KG's.

Pull-Down 1 set of 12 reps at a load of 45 KG's. 1 set of 10 reps at a load of 50 KG's and 1 set of 8 reps at a load of 55 KG's.

Curl-Up the load is 40 KG's doing 3 sets of 12, 10 and 8 reps.

Curl-Down the load is 50 KG's doing 3 sets of 12, 10 and 8 reps.

Chest Press the load is 40 KG's doing 3 sets of 12, 10 and 8 reps.

Peck Deck the load is 35 KG's doing 3 sets of 12, 10 and 8 reps.

Adduction the load is 35 KG's doing 3 sets of 12, 10 and 8 reps.

Abduction same as Adduction.

Leg Extension the load is 40 KG's doing 3 sets of 12, 10 and 8 reps.

Leg Curl same as Leg Extension.

Abdomen the load is 40 KG's doing 3 sets of 25 reps.

Back-Press same as Abdomen.

Leg Press the load is 25 KG's doing 3 sets of 12, 10 and 8 reps.

Optimal Rhomb the load is 35 KG's doing 3 sets of 12, 10 and 8 reps.

Then I do the orbital stepper for a half hr. the stretching for 20 min.
On the days I am not working out I walk for an hour.

All this and just 6 months ago I was house bound for 3 yrs. On this days I am not working out I walk one hour and take Sat. off.
Phil

 

[Michael T]

Great results

Phil,

It is encouraging to see your improvement! I have very similar issues
just like yours. I did gels then switched to injections. I have been feeling
better with injections, joint and back pain is less. My energy levels seem to
be better for about 3 to 4 days after my shot, then fall abruptly. I have been able to exercise again, but only for 2 days out of the week. I just finished my 5th week and had my labs done. I'm curious to see just where my levels fall.

Michael T,

 

[BigRagu]

i say u get off the machines and start using free weights....... your body can tell the difference and u will see more progress with free weights.... useless u just like using the machines.........but hey if it's working for u congratz...........

 

[HeadDoc]

Phil you are making nice progress. How much weight are you intending to lose?

 

[Neodavid]

Can only tell you my experience, that 250iu of hcg 3x a week is all I needed...

Just got back from the Dr.'s and my levels went down. Here I am thinking we need to low the shots or the Hcg.
For those that have not kept up with my new treatment.
I am doing 150 mgs. of Depo T. shots every week and 500 IU's of Hcg 3 times a week MWF.

Well the new lag tech did not do all the tests so I don't have Total T and Total E.
My E2 came down to 21 from 50.1 range <20 to 56.
My Free T came down to 23.6 from 36.6 pg/mLrange 8.8 to 27 pg/mL. Not having my Total T. the Dr. said he feels that it also came down.
My Prolactin came down to 4.73 from 11.99 range 1/8 to 14.4 ng/mL.
My TSH came down to 1.96 from 2.592 range 0.4 to 4.7 uIU/mL.
My CHOL/HDL Ratio came down to 3.7 low from 4.2 range 4.0 to 6.7 Ratio.
I lost more weight down 5 more lbs. The Dr. told me to stay on what I am doing and and he changed the does of Hcg to 500 IU's MFS and on W the day of my shot I am to do 250 IU's of Hcg. He asked me how the working out was going I told him I started low but now have upped the load on the mach's and upped the set to 3 . I told him I am getting stronger very fast I never felt this strong working out with Low T.
He feels it is the Hcg.

Here is the work out program I am doing now. All of it on Machines. 3 times a week MWF.

Biceps 1 set of 12 reps at a load of 35 KG's. 1 set of 10 reps at a load of 40 KG's and 1 set of 8 reps at a load of 45 KG's.

Triceps same as Biceps.

Push-up 1 set of 12 reps at a load of 40 KG's. 1 set of 10 reps at a load of 45 KG's and 1 set of 8 reps at a load of 50 KG's.

Pull-Down 1 set of 12 reps at a load of 45 KG's. 1 set of 10 reps at a load of 50 KG's and 1 set of 8 reps at a load of 55 KG's.

Curl-Up the load is 40 KG's doing 3 sets of 12, 10 and 8 reps.

Curl-Down the load is 50 KG's doing 3 sets of 12, 10 and 8 reps.

Chest Press the load is 40 KG's doing 3 sets of 12, 10 and 8 reps.

Peck Deck the load is 35 KG's doing 3 sets of 12, 10 and 8 reps.

Adduction the load is 35 KG's doing 3 sets of 12, 10 and 8 reps.

Abduction same as Adduction.

Leg Extension the load is 40 KG's doing 3 sets of 12, 10 and 8 reps.

Leg Curl same as Leg Extension.

Abdomen the load is 40 KG's doing 3 sets of 25 reps.

Back-Press same as Abdomen.

Leg Press the load is 25 KG's doing 3 sets of 12, 10 and 8 reps.

Optimal Rhomb the load is 35 KG's doing 3 sets of 12, 10 and 8 reps.

Then I do the orbital stepper for a half hr. the stretching for 20 min.
On the days I am not working out I walk for an hour.

All this and just 6 months ago I was house bound for 3 yrs. On this days I am not working out I walk one hour and take Sat. off.
Phil

 

[SWALE]

Phil--I think maybe the drop is being caused by testicular desentization to the HCG, and would decrease your HCG dose further.

 

[mranak]

Phil--I think maybe the drop is being caused by testicular desentization to the HCG, and would decrease your HCG dose further.

The leydig cells can become desensitized at only 500 IU 3 days/week? Wow.

Just goes to show why exogenous testosterone is needed in addition to the hCG I guess.

 

[pmgamer18]

i say u get off the machines and start using free weights....... your body can tell the difference and u will see more progress with free weights.... useless u just like using the machines.........but hey if it's working for u congratz...........

You are right but I am a care giver and take my mother in law 85 to the OPC "Old Persons Center" where I work out they have a care givers room to sit wile you go to there gym. I only pay $1.00 to use the machines. This way I don't need to get someone to sit with her wile I go to the gym.
Phil

 

[Michael T]

That is honorable

Phil,

Just wanted to say that taking your mother in law is an honorable
thing that we all could learn from. We will all grow old one day.

Michael T,

 

[pmgamer18]

Phil you are making nice progress. How much weight are you intending to lose?

It is hard to say Weight Watchers has my goal weight set for 170 but my Dr. said no way I could go that low. I am big boned I put my wedding ring on big guys thumbs. The last time I weighed 210 I had a 34 inch waste line. So now at 61 to get a 34 inch waste if I can keep woking out might be like 190 to 210.

Boy I sure hope I don't have testicular desentization like SWALE says I asked my Dr. if this could happen and he told me not at that does. My Dr. does not feel my Testis are making that much T he feels it could be coming from my other glands. Can't think of the name he used.

I weighed in today and lost 6 and 1/2 lbs so now I am down 38 and 1/2 lbs in 17 weeks. Man I feel stronger by the day.
Phil

 

[pmgamer18]

Phil,

Just wanted to say that taking your mother in law is an honorable
thing that we all could learn from. We will all grow old one day.

Michael T,

She has been more of a mother to me then my own mother. I love her just as much. It is not easy but very rewarding and yes honorable.
Phil

 

[mranak]

You are right but I am a care giver and take my mother in law 85 to the OPC "Old Persons Center" where I work out they have a care givers room to sit wile you go to there gym. I only pay $1.00 to use the machines. This way I don't need to get someone to sit with her wile I go to the gym.
Phil

Good deal. That's also very good of you being care giver.

 

[mranak]

We will all grow old one day.

Well, we hope so, anyway.

 

[pmgamer18]

Phil--I think maybe the drop is being caused by testicular desentization to the HCG, and would decrease your HCG dose further.

SWALE my Dr. told me if my next test in 2 weeks does not show my levels coming up then we are going to cut the Hcg down to 250 IU's the 2 days before my next shot.
Thanks Phil